Bottom line is we lost him, and are scrambling for a backup point guard
When we let lin go binky was healthy and we had 2 more backup points so it’s not relevant. we’ll find another backup if nate can’t play. We needed the roster spot for bigs more than we needed Lin at the time so no big mystery there.
but LIn should be our starting PG that is the problem! Curry can take a back seat.. We should at least evaluate players before jettisoning them (i always wanted to use the word jettison..)
We should at least evaluate players before jettisoning them
We did and he was not deemed necessary to our team. No big mystery it’s just the way it worked out.Go back and look at pre draft film and he didn’t look like anything special. Still doesn’t in those latest games, just the right place at the right time. Montay just put up 48 against the thunder and binky had a 16 and 10 night against their defense and had a 29 and 12 game against utah so we still don’t need lin as much as we need bigs.
Lin would never have the chance to increase his value here that he has at the NYK’s as they have no other options right now.
But Lin wont have the same success here. He will compete playing time with Curry, Ellis, Klay and Jenkins. And Curry is doing already what Lin is doing with the Knicks
MJ will see it that way. If Lin is still in our roster, or even he comes back. There is no way Curry will be, coming off the bench player. Not on our team, unless he got traded. to a team with established PG and SG. But not on the Warriors.
Jeremy Lin was a legit NBA starting PG who rotted on the Warriors bench last year. In a way it’s best for Lin to play away from the Bay Area because so many haters here said he was only there as a marketing gimmick. The kid has legit skills and would never have gotten a fair shake with GS.
The fact that Acie Law was in front of him in the rotation last year really points out the Warriors staffs lack of talent evaluation and also points towards Warrior fans having a better ability to judge talent than the organization itself.
Many people myself included liked the signing of Lin, then many of us didn’t see much in him at the start of the year. Then finally in the second half of the year many of us here pointed out how good Lin looked on defense and how that could HELP the team.
Charles Jenkins looks pretty good also to me, I am not bothered in the least about Lin having success in NY. Good for Lin, if he was on the Warriors he wouldn’t get much playing time. Also the Warriors have Curry, Jenkins and Robinson so we don’t really have a glaring need for a point guard. What really seems to be apparent to me is that the Warriors need to evaluate talent better. Good job getting Lin on the team, but it really was a mistake to not play him last year and to let him go for absolutely no reason.
He definitely looks like he was supposed to. Dude was athletic and can make plays for his teammates. What do you expect with the teammates he has? It’s not like guys like Rose or Westbrook were killing it at that age or anything.
the first pick of a draft should have offensive prowess
wall is a career .494 TS%, 16.2 PER (pretty average), for an athletic PG, he has a 7.2 TRB%, high turnover ratio (18.6 TOV%), his eFG hovers around 42%….
look, i understand its only his second year, but when you’re the first pick of the draft, you’re supposed to demonstrate some level of consistancy in one aspect of his game. He’s alright on defense I suppose, but as of right now, I believe that Kyrie Irving is much better, and they came into the league on somewhat similar situations on their respective teams.
i'm not so much worried about his shooting, that has time to improve
he’s a true, young point guard with a very good assist rate, and his size, length, and athleticism give him a very high ceiling. seems like he has potential to be a plus defender as well. i’d like to see how he does without such idiots for teammates.
Not too worried right now. Wall’s got skills, and is dripping with athleticism. Don’t agree that there’s some hard rule for what a #1 pick is supposed to show early in his career. Everyone progresses differently. Wall isn’t an effective player right now, but he has a lot of good traits and tons of potential, and as far as I’m concerned, he’s not significantly behind on the development curve given his age, if you look at guys like Rondo, Rose and Westbrook.
Statistically, NBA players tend to improve their jumpers gradually as their career goes on. That means, he has more upside. The basketball gods did not smile upon us, the way we have lost Lin.
Agree. Lin did not have much of a jumper, but he has everything else that a good PG needs!
If you watched his last 3 games in NY, you can see what those skill sets are. I also agree that his jumper will come. BTW, everyone should note, that, jumper or not, he is averaging 25 PPG his first three starts in winning efforts, with a star-depleted team!
When your mind is made up that someone is not qualified for the job, you don’t look past his negatives. Lin’s jumpshot was the negative that some fans and the W’s coaching staff dwelled on, and they failed to see his positive skills in running the point, defense, quickness, etc.
I think Lin’s success has a huge part from going at it agianst Monta N Curry in practice. I think he got real good experience with them. Real happy for the home grown talent.
I’m just saying that the Generals are the dumbest team in the NBA. They did not impress me tonight. McGee has always been an idiot, which is why I have always been against trading for him. Did you see his pick and roll “defense”? There’s a reason people say that unless he’s blocking a shot he is playing bad defense.
He should watch how Lin stays low to the ground and keeps his dribble alive. Not only does this help prevent steals, it also helps him change directions quickly.
Yep, and just watch someone like Paul or Nash – they often aren’t even moving quickly, but have their handle so low and in control they’re comfortable going at their pace through traffic. Helps them penetrate without using athleticism.
Well enough at least. This issue right now is the ankle. Curry plays under control and changes speeds, he has the ability to be very quick when his ankle is working right. When Curry is on he can get to any point on the court any time he wants it seems.
Lin relies on slashing more than Curry because Lin is not as good of a shooter. Lin is also larger and better at defense than Curry, they are different players. Curry’s shooting is good on a historical level, he is so good at shooting, if he stays healthy he might be considered one of the best shooters of all time. The fact that Curry can also pass fairly well and drive is a bonus. I think people underestimate the fact that Curry’s one dominant skill is so dominant that it makes him an insanely valuable and useful player.
What the Warriors need is a better constructed team around Curry, they need a defensive stopper like Gerald Wallace or Iggy on the wings. Right now we do not have that, we need that and to make the playoffs and a good center to be a contender. The thing is there are only a few good centers and they are very hard to get(unless its through the draft) I say trade Ellis for a good draft pick if we can so we can try and draft a good center. I don’t see many avenues to get a dominant defensive center in many other ways.
.I think stats would show he is well below average for PG’s in penetrations. In any case, I would substitute “aggressive” or “assertive” for “slashing” in the original post about Lin. Even when the ankle is good, Curry has never seemed “very quick” or agressive; you see that lack even more on defense, which is the reason for all the reach-in fouls. The ability to penetrate, especially at speed, is an extremely valuable PG skill, since penetration creates pressure that opens up assist opportunities and is especially effective when initiating the offense on a team (like the W’s) that wants an uptempo pace. The value of this ability depends on your offensive scheme. If you want to play half court O and/or you’ve got inside scorers that can create their own shot, it may not be that important. But the W’s need penetrations to set up their big guys, as we’re seeing this year with Ellis.
Lin has shown an ability to keep the ball low and keep the dribble alive. He’s also not fast, but he makes up for it with a long, quick first step and a great change of direction/speed. He can change speeds and direction very well, which allows him to run the pick and roll effectively.
He has to work on two things: his jumper and his left hand. He also probably needs to be a little more accurate with his passes. But Lin can play, and he can definitely run the pick and roll. This kid will have a solid career in the NBA, and will probably be very popular in Asia.
I’m not sure if he will be popular in China because of the China/Taiwan thing. Chinese people will probably love him, but I’m not sure about the government.
i dont think politics will play a big role to be honest. In terms of the youth in China, they certainly accept taiwan celebrities and cultures. I will not be surprised if he is a second coming of Yao Ming-mania. However, I think Lin will reach more Asians in America than in China and Taiwan. Still congrats to him.
The past 3 wins Jeremy Lin has played against Deron Williams, Devin Harris, and John Wall and has put up:
- 25 points, 7 assists, 2 steals.
- 28 points, 8 assists, 2 steals.
- 23 points, 10 assists, a steal and block.
This just shows just how dumb Keith Smart was last year. How is Keith Smart even coaching in the NBA? He overplays Monta, sits Curry and Reggie Williams, plays maybe the worst NBA player last year Acie Law.
D’Antoni was slow, it took him 20 games (but at least he adjusted), whereas Keith Smart had an entire season to be completely stupid.
We didn’t get to see him play on a daily basis though. Tyson Chandler said Lin was able to break down players in practice. Now either Lin has improved a lot since last season, or Smart just ignored what he saw in practice, or he saw it, and didn’t appreciate what he saw.
And FWIW, many of us actually did say to play Lin more. I remember throughout the season putting up stats that suggested he should get more pt.
Yes many people liked Lin's defense and saw potential in his D-League play
also the Warriors didn’t really want to let him go, I think they wanted him back but he was swooped up by Houston, then he smartly went to the Knicks(who are in dire need of a point guard.)
Smart SHOULD have played him instead of Acie Law, many many fans commented on this. To me it isn’t that Acie is a horrible player it was just that Lin played good defense when he was in. Also Lin’s play in the D-League signified that there was a lot more to his game than what was shown to us. A ton of Warrior fans wanted Lin to play more.
Jeremy Lin has succeeded at every level he’s played in. Fact is every single scout was wrong from HS, college, to the pros. Nobody can deny now that his racial markers held him back from opportunities. He was the only California state HS player of the year ever to not get a D-I scholarship. He goes an has Harvard’s best seasons in 50 years, outplays 1st round picks at UConn, BC, and Georgetown, and goes undrafted. He outplays John Wall in summer league to earn a minimum contract. He dominates D-league but rots on Keith Dumb’s bench all year. This year he puts up a triple double in D-league, and in his one, ONLY OPPORTUNITY with legit NBA minutes he immediately breaks out and is now on a hot streak. If Jeremy Lin had a different last name he would have started for UCLA then get drafted top 10.
Chandler is a good player but Chandler didn’t play big minutes in Lin’s second game. They’ve also been short handed without Amare and Carmelo. Jeremy Lin has made fringe players like Jeffries and Novak look good because he has such great court vision.
Lin also held Deron Williams and Devin Harris to a combined 5 for 18 shooting.
Keith Smart is a moron. My first post on this forum used several advanced statistics showing why last year Stephen Curry, Reggie Williams, Jeremy Lin, and Udoh deserved more minutes while Acie Law was probably the worst player in the entire league, and other players including Monta were playing too much.
It’s clear that Keith Smart just goes by “instinct” and completely ignores numbers or objective reality. It boggles the mind that he found another head coaching job in the NBA. Mike D’Antoni was slow to catch on but even he couldn’t deny what he was seeing in practice with Lin repeatedly killing in scrimmages.
I mean I've been rooting for Lin even though I wrote him off after he got waived.
He isn’t very quick but now he is showing some craftiness. With a suspect jumpshot and not much explosiveness, theres no way he would be drafted top 10 though.
Look at Lin’s FG%. He’s shooting something like over 60% the past 3 games, which matches up with his 50%+ FG D-league or college career (even against schools like UConn, BC, and Georgetown where he was triple-teamed). He has a reliable 15-18 footer. He can’t hit 3’s but who cares, Rondo, Andre Miller, and Jason Kidd had great careers without the 3-ball. I find it funny that you say he’s not explosive when he just put up 25, 28, and 23 points against Deron Williams, Devin Harris, and John Wall.
3 games? Thats not exactly a good indicator. And more importantly, Im talking about why recruiters were not high on him coming out of college.
He really didnt get much of a chance on the court but by his own account jumpshots was what he was working on all summer cause he knew he needed to improve.
is pretty much why people weren’t high on him coming out of college. Poor strength of competition was a big factor, supposedly. By the numbers, he looked to be the top PG prospect – human factors, including the big-money sports marketers, were already locked in on Wall. It is not a pretty – or scrupulously fair – game when that much money goes on the line. It is what it is.
And you dont have to be explosive to score. Case in point Curry.
Lin is more crafty (weaving and avoiding defenders) at getting to the hoop than explosive. But what I’m saying is that explosiveness is probably what ppl were looking for.
Curry is fast too. It is not smart to always slash as fast as you can, changing speeds and being in control are more important. Heck I’d say Lin is very athletic, he stays in front of his man very well, at least that is what I saw him do last year.
I think the Warriors always intended to keep Lin and gradually give him minutes, but they decided to let him go(with the intention of signing him again I believe.)
. With a suspect jumpshot and not much explosiveness, theres no way he would be drafted top 10 though.
which is why he wasn’t. He looked very below average at draft and his time with the Dubs. Whatever he is at NYK has nothing to do with us or why we let him go.
2) They had to guarantee Lin’s contract yesterday or let him go. He didn’t even come in Net’s game until about the 2nd quarter so D’Antoni was planning to take a look at him for a game and 3 quarters at most.
where the hell do you keep pulling these numbers from???
Also note that he is averaging a bit under 2 TOs in those 3 games!
the 2nd game he had 8 TO. even if he had 0 in the other 2 games, that’s still above 2 per game. are you just making up these numbers??
1. you claimed monta was leading the warriors in assists per game at 6.2. monta was actually tied with steph at 6.5 at the time.
2. you claimed that lin was 11-14. he was actually 9-14.
3. you claim that he’s averaging under 2 TO in these 3 games. he actually has 11 turnovers in the 3 games (3.7 per game).
Not intentional, I actually looked at his season PG, which was 1.6 TOs. You are correct. Still, 3.7 is good for his first 3 PG starts, in 3 wins, and over 30 minutes per game..
With Monta’s stats, I was a game behind, I think, at the time, showing him at 6.2. In fact, he was at 6.5, co-leader with Curry (Curry had that big assist game, immediately after). The point was, he was dishing out as many assists as Curry, who is playing PG. As far as the 9-14, or, 11-14, I was trying to give an update, switching back to our site, and probably remembered it wrong. Either way, he outshot Wall, had more assists, less TOS, and was a great shooting performance. That point, also, stands.
He worked to get Lin go left which is basically everyone’s plan at this point. Lin did go left, but the lane was so incredibly open that it didn’t matter because there was ZERO help defense. I can’t stop watching John Wall throw his arms up in disbelief at how incompetent his team is
Their team is filled with inexperience and bad decision makers. Wall hasn’t really impressed me too much yet but he has a lot of potential to be very good.
Wall is the only one with value. McGee showed how NOT to defend the pick and roll in this game. He is honestly one of the worst centers in the NBA. All that talent and his brain is made of stone.
Here’s the thing about blocked shots. JaVale McGee – one of the best (if not THE best) shotblockers in the NBA today – has 76 blocked shots this season. Wizards opponents have taken 2,121 field goals on the season so far. So you see how insignificant the blocks are on their own, right? Now, obviously many good shot blockers challenge many more shots than they block to have a real impact on the game. I don’t think you can say that about McGee, though. The dude is constantly out of position and the Wizards are constantly giving up easy looks at the hoop, and McGee is definitely a contributor to that. McGee’s rookie year, the team was over 4 points worse defensively when he played than when he didn’t. About two and a half worse the following year. About the same no and off last year. This year, about a point and a half worse. -1.6 career defensive RAPM. Every one of those season the Wizards were a below average (and 3 of the 4 very poor) defensive team. This year, their D is awful in every one of the four factors except creating turnovers. They’re near the bottom of the league in FG% allowed at the rim.
Yes, JaVale McGee blocks shots. No, JaVale McGee is not a defensive presence, and you’d be hard pressed to make a case he’s a defensive positive at all. When it comes to defense, 76 plays are mostly irrelevant in a span of over 700 minutes played. Defense is about what you do play in and play out – your consistent performance – and frankly, JaVale isn’t very good at that.
The talent with those two is so plain, but they both have to turn it into winning basketball. Remains to be seen if they can. Would be a verrrryyyy scary combo if they both figured it out.
i think that he’s not the second coming of the next great PG he was supposed to be.
Can you elaborate on that? I personally see him ending up somewhere in between Rose and Westbrook. Do you see that as not living up to what he’s supposed to be? I personally don’t.
Not to be a hater, but why all the fuss over a guy we don't have on our team anymore?
I am not tryin to throw salt in his game, matter of fact, I like JLin…I follow him on Facebook, but this is GSOM, for God’s sakes! Do we keep posting about Stack Jack or JRich when they have good games? Go hype him up on the NY blogs. #2cents
and the season is going no where. We are looking for entertainment. We get on a winning steak and no one will care about Lin.
I personally follow all my favorite ex-Warriors. I have to pay attention to something in the playoffs. I like to root for players in the playoffs that at least used to be on the Warriors.
I’m curious what you think we could have gotten for guys like Reggie and Lin? I think you have a fair point if you think we should have kept them, but let’s not pretend they had any trade value that we sorely missed out on or anything. Role players come and go, and teams aren’t often willing to trade much for them when they can sign another similar player on the free agent market for not too much $.
Starting for us? We have that Monta guy. If you want to suggest that starting would raise Reggie’s value, we’d also have to figure not starting would hurt Monta’s, right?
BTW, whenever you are down and feel like the Dubs have let you down, think about the poor Wizards
that team is in shambles and they play is just a microcosm of that team. Matador defense and you let a D-leaguer sh!t on you with an uncontested dunk. SMH
ive never been a lin fan
BUT he had a nice game tonight. Good for him.
Xtremelink - February 8, 2012 via mobile
hes had THREE good games in a row
watching his success makes me sad :(
Monta THE Boss - February 8, 2012
That’s not nice. Someone’s success shouldn’t make you sad. Cheer on up boy!
Xtremelink - February 8, 2012 via mobile
ITS SAD that we had him here.. Lin took a PAY CUT to be here ..And our stupid FO and coach would not give him a chance...
It may prove true that Lin >>> Curry.. THEN WHAT?!?!?!?
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 9, 2012
no he didn't
all the teams interested him were offering the same amount
Brownie13 - February 9, 2012
Bottom line is we lost him, and are scrambling for a backup point guard. If Nate was not hurt, OKC was in the bag!
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
Bottom line is we lost him, and are scrambling for a backup point guard
When we let lin go binky was healthy and we had 2 more backup points so it’s not relevant. we’ll find another backup if nate can’t play. We needed the roster spot for bigs more than we needed Lin at the time so no big mystery there.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 9, 2012
but LIn should be our starting PG that is the problem! Curry can take a back seat.. We should at least evaluate players before jettisoning them (i always wanted to use the word jettison..)
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 9, 2012
We should at least evaluate players before jettisoning them
We did and he was not deemed necessary to our team. No big mystery it’s just the way it worked out.Go back and look at pre draft film and he didn’t look like anything special. Still doesn’t in those latest games, just the right place at the right time. Montay just put up 48 against the thunder and binky had a 16 and 10 night against their defense and had a 29 and 12 game against utah so we still don’t need lin as much as we need bigs.
Lin would never have the chance to increase his value here that he has at the NYK’s as they have no other options right now.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 9, 2012
When the W's let Lin go, they didn't have 2 backup points
They had to sign Jenkins on the same day so Curry wouldn’t be the only PG on the team.
RumTMC - February 9, 2012
basketball doesn't work like that.
having nate healthy doesn’t make OKC an automatic win. It could have, in fact, completely changed the way the game played out.
And we probably wouldn’t have had Nate in the first place if we had held onto Jeremy.
and not that wasn’t the bottom line. my comment was solely based on the idea that Lin turned down more money to be here, which he did not
Brownie13 - February 9, 2012
It makes me sad too
But Lin wont have the same success here. He will compete playing time with Curry, Ellis, Klay and Jenkins. And Curry is doing already what Lin is doing with the Knicks
mykelala01 - February 8, 2012 via mobile
i would start Curry behind Lin right now. At least for this year..See what happens
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 9, 2012
I don't think
MJ will see it that way. If Lin is still in our roster, or even he comes back. There is no way Curry will be, coming off the bench player. Not on our team, unless he got traded. to a team with established PG and SG. But not on the Warriors.
mykelala01 - February 9, 2012
Regardless of what the FO and MJ may see (BTW that has been the problem), Lin is playing better right now.
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
Well, Lin has played better over the past 3 game stretch, that much is true.
Missing Barry - February 9, 2012
Well I for one would NEVER put a player above others.. If you deserve the playing time then u get it
I would never bow down to how much money they are getting paid or how much everyone is on their nuts.. Curry has a cry baby attitude. LIn doesnt..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 9, 2012
Why?
Missing Barry - February 9, 2012
A couple reasons~
To rest Currys ankle…
To see if Lin is a more capable pg..
If Lin is not more capable then we will find that out this year and tank at the same time..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 9, 2012
Legit NBA starting PG
Jeremy Lin was a legit NBA starting PG who rotted on the Warriors bench last year. In a way it’s best for Lin to play away from the Bay Area because so many haters here said he was only there as a marketing gimmick. The kid has legit skills and would never have gotten a fair shake with GS.
BayMind - February 8, 2012
He was a good pick up for us.
The fact that Acie Law was in front of him in the rotation last year really points out the Warriors staffs lack of talent evaluation and also points towards Warrior fans having a better ability to judge talent than the organization itself.
Many people myself included liked the signing of Lin, then many of us didn’t see much in him at the start of the year. Then finally in the second half of the year many of us here pointed out how good Lin looked on defense and how that could HELP the team.
Charles Jenkins looks pretty good also to me, I am not bothered in the least about Lin having success in NY. Good for Lin, if he was on the Warriors he wouldn’t get much playing time. Also the Warriors have Curry, Jenkins and Robinson so we don’t really have a glaring need for a point guard. What really seems to be apparent to me is that the Warriors need to evaluate talent better. Good job getting Lin on the team, but it really was a mistake to not play him last year and to let him go for absolutely no reason.
brutusbrutus - February 8, 2012
i wouldnt give the wiz that much credit
blatche, haywood, crawford,
and wall isnt looking good, or anywhere close to what he was supposed to be
j-spliff415 - February 8, 2012
He definitely looks like he was supposed to. Dude was athletic and can make plays for his teammates. What do you expect with the teammates he has? It’s not like guys like Rose or Westbrook were killing it at that age or anything.
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
41% shooting?
no thanks
j-spliff415 - February 9, 2012
yea because wall doesn't do anything else other than shoot right?
bigkino217 - February 9, 2012
the first pick of a draft should have offensive prowess
wall is a career .494 TS%, 16.2 PER (pretty average), for an athletic PG, he has a 7.2 TRB%, high turnover ratio (18.6 TOV%), his eFG hovers around 42%….
look, i understand its only his second year, but when you’re the first pick of the draft, you’re supposed to demonstrate some level of consistancy in one aspect of his game. He’s alright on defense I suppose, but as of right now, I believe that Kyrie Irving is much better, and they came into the league on somewhat similar situations on their respective teams.
j-spliff415 - February 9, 2012
*in at least one aspect of the game
j-spliff415 - February 9, 2012
I also think its pretty telling that Wall's total WS hovers around 3
and in comparison to someone like stephs, who’s around 12.5…
j-spliff415 - February 9, 2012
i'm not so much worried about his shooting, that has time to improve
he’s a true, young point guard with a very good assist rate, and his size, length, and athleticism give him a very high ceiling. seems like he has potential to be a plus defender as well. i’d like to see how he does without such idiots for teammates.
bigkino217 - February 9, 2012
Yeah, he might do better with Knicks minus Sudamire and Anthony, the way Lin outplayed him...
After all, the Knicks were loaded with talent with their two stars gone…
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
True, there’s definitely no better way of evaluating players than picking one head to head matchup against each other…
Missing Barry - February 9, 2012
yea lol
that’s exactly the kind of reasoning that would lead someone to believe that deron is better than paul
bigkino217 - February 9, 2012
Not too worried right now. Wall’s got skills, and is dripping with athleticism. Don’t agree that there’s some hard rule for what a #1 pick is supposed to show early in his career. Everyone progresses differently. Wall isn’t an effective player right now, but he has a lot of good traits and tons of potential, and as far as I’m concerned, he’s not significantly behind on the development curve given his age, if you look at guys like Rondo, Rose and Westbrook.
Missing Barry - February 9, 2012
bigkino i'm digging your tag
thats funny as hell
j-spliff415 - February 9, 2012
thanks
evanz has a very similar one
bigkino217 - February 9, 2012
J.Lin’s jumper was garbage for us. He has improved it.
Naticus - February 8, 2012
It's still bad
He definitely needs to work on it in the offseason. Also it would be nice if he could develop his left hand more.
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
Statistically, NBA players tend to improve their jumpers gradually as their career goes on. That means, he has more upside. The basketball gods did not smile upon us, the way we have lost Lin.
Naticus - February 8, 2012
his jumper not being very good here is partly just the initial jitters of playing in the spot light justlike klay was sucking it up at first...
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 9, 2012
Agree. Lin did not have much of a jumper, but he has everything else that a good PG needs!
If you watched his last 3 games in NY, you can see what those skill sets are. I also agree that his jumper will come. BTW, everyone should note, that, jumper or not, he is averaging 25 PPG his first three starts in winning efforts, with a star-depleted team!
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
Yes, you’ve repeated it many times. We’re all aware.
Missing Barry - February 9, 2012
not to mention his knack for getting to the freethrow line..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 9, 2012
The problem is
When your mind is made up that someone is not qualified for the job, you don’t look past his negatives. Lin’s jumpshot was the negative that some fans and the W’s coaching staff dwelled on, and they failed to see his positive skills in running the point, defense, quickness, etc.
RumTMC - February 9, 2012
I think Lin’s success has a huge part from going at it agianst Monta N Curry in practice. I think he got real good experience with them. Real happy for the home grown talent.
GSWeri - February 8, 2012
And his up and under move which New York fans hype about, I think he got it from Monta.
mykelala01 - February 8, 2012
you are joking, right?
All Smart asking him to do is shoot mid range and pass up the ball as soon as he cross the half court.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 9, 2012
we talking about practice...not the game...practice
…..practice
GSWeri - February 9, 2012
yes, mr. smart ask Lin to practice midrange in the gym, that's all.
smart said he wants to expand his game, when smart doesn’t even know what his game is.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 9, 2012
I think the other two learned more about be a good PG from Lin, than he did from them!
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
Lol
But we saw Lin potential. When he played against Portland. Which is unfortunately the last game of th 2010-11 season:(
mykelala01 - February 9, 2012
Was that the one Reggie started in, and went for over 20 points?
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
KINGofCRA5H - February 8, 2012
A caveat
The Washing Generals are not a good team.
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
3 good games in a row against any team is encouraging
when is the last time you can remember Curry having 3 games in a row like that against anybody? I mean, I’m sure he has, but it’s been a while, right?
Evanz - February 8, 2012
Read my post below
I’m just saying that the Generals are the dumbest team in the NBA. They did not impress me tonight. McGee has always been an idiot, which is why I have always been against trading for him. Did you see his pick and roll “defense”? There’s a reason people say that unless he’s blocking a shot he is playing bad defense.
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
right, but we've played bad teams too
and when our players have great games against bad teams, we kind of ignore that or make excuses for it
shouldn’t we do the same for Lin? ;)
Evanz - February 8, 2012
Yep I think Lin will be solid in the NBA
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
Lin looks pretty quick in that highlight. Still haven’t seen it yet, but sounds like the kid can run the PnR. Maybe Curry should watch some film…
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
I wish Curry could penetrate
He should watch how Lin stays low to the ground and keeps his dribble alive. Not only does this help prevent steals, it also helps him change directions quickly.
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
Yep, and just watch someone like Paul or Nash – they often aren’t even moving quickly, but have their handle so low and in control they’re comfortable going at their pace through traffic. Helps them penetrate without using athleticism.
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
Curry penetrates very well in my opinion.
Well enough at least. This issue right now is the ankle. Curry plays under control and changes speeds, he has the ability to be very quick when his ankle is working right. When Curry is on he can get to any point on the court any time he wants it seems.
Lin relies on slashing more than Curry because Lin is not as good of a shooter. Lin is also larger and better at defense than Curry, they are different players. Curry’s shooting is good on a historical level, he is so good at shooting, if he stays healthy he might be considered one of the best shooters of all time. The fact that Curry can also pass fairly well and drive is a bonus. I think people underestimate the fact that Curry’s one dominant skill is so dominant that it makes him an insanely valuable and useful player.
What the Warriors need is a better constructed team around Curry, they need a defensive stopper like Gerald Wallace or Iggy on the wings. Right now we do not have that, we need that and to make the playoffs and a good center to be a contender. The thing is there are only a few good centers and they are very hard to get(unless its through the draft) I say trade Ellis for a good draft pick if we can so we can try and draft a good center. I don’t see many avenues to get a dominant defensive center in many other ways.
brutusbrutus - February 8, 2012
Well enough is a better statement. At...least!
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
Not sure I would even agree with that
.I think stats would show he is well below average for PG’s in penetrations. In any case, I would substitute “aggressive” or “assertive” for “slashing” in the original post about Lin. Even when the ankle is good, Curry has never seemed “very quick” or agressive; you see that lack even more on defense, which is the reason for all the reach-in fouls. The ability to penetrate, especially at speed, is an extremely valuable PG skill, since penetration creates pressure that opens up assist opportunities and is especially effective when initiating the offense on a team (like the W’s) that wants an uptempo pace. The value of this ability depends on your offensive scheme. If you want to play half court O and/or you’ve got inside scorers that can create their own shot, it may not be that important. But the W’s need penetrations to set up their big guys, as we’re seeing this year with Ellis.
TrueGSfan - February 9, 2012
Well stated! Just trying to give Steph every benefit of the doubt, as it appears we all have :-)
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
Lin's pick and roll game
is great
GSWeri - February 9, 2012
He didn't learn the pick and roll from the W's
He had it coming out of college. We just didn’t care to use that skill.
RumTMC - February 9, 2012
And, I might add, Ev, we have not won those games agains the weak teams!
Lin is doing that.
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
That being said
Lin has shown an ability to keep the ball low and keep the dribble alive. He’s also not fast, but he makes up for it with a long, quick first step and a great change of direction/speed. He can change speeds and direction very well, which allows him to run the pick and roll effectively.
He has to work on two things: his jumper and his left hand. He also probably needs to be a little more accurate with his passes. But Lin can play, and he can definitely run the pick and roll. This kid will have a solid career in the NBA, and will probably be very popular in Asia.
I’m not sure if he will be popular in China because of the China/Taiwan thing. Chinese people will probably love him, but I’m not sure about the government.
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
about that last comment.
i dont think politics will play a big role to be honest. In terms of the youth in China, they certainly accept taiwan celebrities and cultures. I will not be surprised if he is a second coming of Yao Ming-mania. However, I think Lin will reach more Asians in America than in China and Taiwan. Still congrats to him.
bimmercirem3 - February 8, 2012
+1 lived in china for a year
they consider taiwan to be part of china.
It doesn’t work quite so well the other way however.
moflow - February 9, 2012
GOOD FOR HIM
TooShort2Play - February 8, 2012
LOL anyone read this
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/2/8/2784557/why-clyde-frazier-is-banned-in-china
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
THREE STRAIGHT KNICKS WINS
The past 3 wins Jeremy Lin has played against Deron Williams, Devin Harris, and John Wall and has put up:
- 25 points, 7 assists, 2 steals.
- 28 points, 8 assists, 2 steals.
- 23 points, 10 assists, a steal and block.
This just shows just how dumb Keith Smart was last year. How is Keith Smart even coaching in the NBA? He overplays Monta, sits Curry and Reggie Williams, plays maybe the worst NBA player last year Acie Law.
D’Antoni was slow, it took him 20 games (but at least he adjusted), whereas Keith Smart had an entire season to be completely stupid.
BayMind - February 8, 2012
To be fair to Smart
Nobody thought Lin was this good. He also benefits from a guy (Chandler) who sets great screens and is a great finisher.
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
We didn’t get to see him play on a daily basis though. Tyson Chandler said Lin was able to break down players in practice. Now either Lin has improved a lot since last season, or Smart just ignored what he saw in practice, or he saw it, and didn’t appreciate what he saw.
And FWIW, many of us actually did say to play Lin more. I remember throughout the season putting up stats that suggested he should get more pt.
Evanz - February 8, 2012
Yep you did
I give you props
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
I mainly wanted him to play for defense.
But I did want him to play :)
GovernorStephCurry - February 8, 2012
Yes many people liked Lin's defense and saw potential in his D-League play
also the Warriors didn’t really want to let him go, I think they wanted him back but he was swooped up by Houston, then he smartly went to the Knicks(who are in dire need of a point guard.)
Smart SHOULD have played him instead of Acie Law, many many fans commented on this. To me it isn’t that Acie is a horrible player it was just that Lin played good defense when he was in. Also Lin’s play in the D-League signified that there was a lot more to his game than what was shown to us. A ton of Warrior fans wanted Lin to play more.
brutusbrutus - February 8, 2012
Yes, I do remember that.
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
Nobody???
Jeremy Lin has succeeded at every level he’s played in. Fact is every single scout was wrong from HS, college, to the pros. Nobody can deny now that his racial markers held him back from opportunities. He was the only California state HS player of the year ever to not get a D-I scholarship. He goes an has Harvard’s best seasons in 50 years, outplays 1st round picks at UConn, BC, and Georgetown, and goes undrafted. He outplays John Wall in summer league to earn a minimum contract. He dominates D-league but rots on Keith Dumb’s bench all year. This year he puts up a triple double in D-league, and in his one, ONLY OPPORTUNITY with legit NBA minutes he immediately breaks out and is now on a hot streak. If Jeremy Lin had a different last name he would have started for UCLA then get drafted top 10.
Chandler is a good player but Chandler didn’t play big minutes in Lin’s second game. They’ve also been short handed without Amare and Carmelo. Jeremy Lin has made fringe players like Jeffries and Novak look good because he has such great court vision.
Lin also held Deron Williams and Devin Harris to a combined 5 for 18 shooting.
BayMind - February 8, 2012
Ha, well, you definitely won’t find yourself in the minority around here in criticizing Keith Smart’s coaching abilities…
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
Keith Smart
Keith Smart is a moron. My first post on this forum used several advanced statistics showing why last year Stephen Curry, Reggie Williams, Jeremy Lin, and Udoh deserved more minutes while Acie Law was probably the worst player in the entire league, and other players including Monta were playing too much.
It’s clear that Keith Smart just goes by “instinct” and completely ignores numbers or objective reality. It boggles the mind that he found another head coaching job in the NBA. Mike D’Antoni was slow to catch on but even he couldn’t deny what he was seeing in practice with Lin repeatedly killing in scrimmages.
BayMind - February 8, 2012
I would bet Smart got the Kings gig because of his reputation of being able to connect with players.
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
Amen! And, some of us were begging for Reggie to get some starts wehn it became apparent the season was a loss.
He got one, finally, in his last game as a Warrior. Smart was not very smart.
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
I mean I've been rooting for Lin even though I wrote him off after he got waived.
He isn’t very quick but now he is showing some craftiness. With a suspect jumpshot and not much explosiveness, theres no way he would be drafted top 10 though.
MonstaEllis - February 8, 2012
Jumpshot
Look at Lin’s FG%. He’s shooting something like over 60% the past 3 games, which matches up with his 50%+ FG D-league or college career (even against schools like UConn, BC, and Georgetown where he was triple-teamed). He has a reliable 15-18 footer. He can’t hit 3’s but who cares, Rondo, Andre Miller, and Jason Kidd had great careers without the 3-ball. I find it funny that you say he’s not explosive when he just put up 25, 28, and 23 points against Deron Williams, Devin Harris, and John Wall.
BayMind - February 8, 2012
3 games? Thats not exactly a good indicator. And more importantly, Im talking about why recruiters were not high on him coming out of college.
He really didnt get much of a chance on the court but by his own account jumpshots was what he was working on all summer cause he knew he needed to improve.
MonstaEllis - February 8, 2012
Asian Kid from Harvard
is pretty much why people weren’t high on him coming out of college. Poor strength of competition was a big factor, supposedly. By the numbers, he looked to be the top PG prospect – human factors, including the big-money sports marketers, were already locked in on Wall. It is not a pretty – or scrupulously fair – game when that much money goes on the line. It is what it is.
Rasputin10 - February 8, 2012
Three in a row with 20+ points? I’d say that’s pretty good reason for the Knicks to be excited. I predict a good career for him.
Naticus - February 8, 2012
I agree. I wish one person would take the Warriors on his back and deliver on 3 straight wins.
Even against three bad NBA teams.
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
Yep, they were not too high on Reggie, also...
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
And you dont have to be explosive to score. Case in point Curry.
Lin is more crafty (weaving and avoiding defenders) at getting to the hoop than explosive. But what I’m saying is that explosiveness is probably what ppl were looking for.
MonstaEllis - February 8, 2012
Lin has a good first step
Curry is fast too. It is not smart to always slash as fast as you can, changing speeds and being in control are more important. Heck I’d say Lin is very athletic, he stays in front of his man very well, at least that is what I saw him do last year.
I think the Warriors always intended to keep Lin and gradually give him minutes, but they decided to let him go(with the intention of signing him again I believe.)
Good job picking up Lin, GSW bad job keeping him.
brutusbrutus - February 8, 2012
isn’t kidd like 3rd on the all-time 3pt made list?
bigkino217 - February 8, 2012
He eventually began shooting 3’s well. Early on, he didn’t do that so well.
Naticus - February 8, 2012
As, Lin will probably do. Totally agree with you.
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
. With a suspect jumpshot and not much explosiveness, theres no way he would be drafted top 10 though.
which is why he wasn’t. He looked very below average at draft and his time with the Dubs. Whatever he is at NYK has nothing to do with us or why we let him go.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 8, 2012
D'Antoni was forced to play him.
1) injuries and inefffective PG play.
2) They had to guarantee Lin’s contract yesterday or let him go. He didn’t even come in Net’s game until about the 2nd quarter so D’Antoni was planning to take a look at him for a game and 3 quarters at most.
JSML - February 8, 2012
Also note that he is averaging a bit under 2 TOs in those 3 games!
Totally agree on his and Reggie’s utilization here.
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
where the hell do you keep pulling these numbers from???
the 2nd game he had 8 TO. even if he had 0 in the other 2 games, that’s still above 2 per game. are you just making up these numbers??
1. you claimed monta was leading the warriors in assists per game at 6.2. monta was actually tied with steph at 6.5 at the time.
2. you claimed that lin was 11-14. he was actually 9-14.
3. you claim that he’s averaging under 2 TO in these 3 games. he actually has 11 turnovers in the 3 games (3.7 per game).
bigkino217 - February 9, 2012
Not intentional, I actually looked at his season PG, which was 1.6 TOs. You are correct. Still, 3.7 is good for his first 3 PG starts, in 3 wins, and over 30 minutes per game..
With Monta’s stats, I was a game behind, I think, at the time, showing him at 6.2. In fact, he was at 6.5, co-leader with Curry (Curry had that big assist game, immediately after). The point was, he was dishing out as many assists as Curry, who is playing PG. As far as the 9-14, or, 11-14, I was trying to give an update, switching back to our site, and probably remembered it wrong. Either way, he outshot Wall, had more assists, less TOS, and was a great shooting performance. That point, also, stands.
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
, I was trying to give an update, switching back to our site,
are you the JLin publicity agency?
Skeptic con Urquell - February 9, 2012
I am really excited and happy for Lin. He works hard.!
SDMcCloskey - February 8, 2012 via mobile
Shao Lin dunks
Evanz - February 8, 2012
Lol at John Wall in the video clip
He worked to get Lin go left which is basically everyone’s plan at this point. Lin did go left, but the lane was so incredibly open that it didn’t matter because there was ZERO help defense. I can’t stop watching John Wall throw his arms up in disbelief at how incompetent his team is
I really feel bad for John Wall.
lameallenmark - February 8, 2012
Yeah, it is laughably bad just how wide open the lane is.
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
The Wizards are not very good
Their team is filled with inexperience and bad decision makers. Wall hasn’t really impressed me too much yet but he has a lot of potential to be very good.
brutusbrutus - February 8, 2012
mcgee
is the only wiz with value currently
walls game is pretty ugly. so. many. turnovers.
and he shoots bricks
j-spliff415 - February 8, 2012
I disagree
Wall is the only one with value. McGee showed how NOT to defend the pick and roll in this game. He is honestly one of the worst centers in the NBA. All that talent and his brain is made of stone.
doubleteapot - February 8, 2012
yet somehow has swatted 80 balls away?
he’s better than a handful of starting centers out there. his value may seemed decrease because he plays for such a horrible unit
j-spliff415 - February 9, 2012
Here’s the thing about blocked shots. JaVale McGee – one of the best (if not THE best) shotblockers in the NBA today – has 76 blocked shots this season. Wizards opponents have taken 2,121 field goals on the season so far. So you see how insignificant the blocks are on their own, right? Now, obviously many good shot blockers challenge many more shots than they block to have a real impact on the game. I don’t think you can say that about McGee, though. The dude is constantly out of position and the Wizards are constantly giving up easy looks at the hoop, and McGee is definitely a contributor to that. McGee’s rookie year, the team was over 4 points worse defensively when he played than when he didn’t. About two and a half worse the following year. About the same no and off last year. This year, about a point and a half worse. -1.6 career defensive RAPM. Every one of those season the Wizards were a below average (and 3 of the 4 very poor) defensive team. This year, their D is awful in every one of the four factors except creating turnovers. They’re near the bottom of the league in FG% allowed at the rim.
Yes, JaVale McGee blocks shots. No, JaVale McGee is not a defensive presence, and you’d be hard pressed to make a case he’s a defensive positive at all. When it comes to defense, 76 plays are mostly irrelevant in a span of over 700 minutes played. Defense is about what you do play in and play out – your consistent performance – and frankly, JaVale isn’t very good at that.
Missing Barry - February 9, 2012
If you think Wall has no value, I don’t know what to tell you.
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
If you think Wall has no value, I don’t know what to tell you.
I’d like to see Wall teamed up again with Cousins at Sacramento, that would be interesting.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 8, 2012
The talent with those two is so plain, but they both have to turn it into winning basketball. Remains to be seen if they can. Would be a verrrryyyy scary combo if they both figured it out.
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
. Would be a verrrryyyy scary combo
haha, if i was Kings i’d try to get Washington to take a 2 for one deal. Tyreke and Jimmer for Wall.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 8, 2012
its not that i dont think he has value
i think that he’s not the second coming of the next great PG he was supposed to be.
also, i think his potential is seirously being harmed due to the fact he has such poor coaching in Washington
j-spliff415 - February 9, 2012
Can you elaborate on that? I personally see him ending up somewhere in between Rose and Westbrook. Do you see that as not living up to what he’s supposed to be? I personally don’t.
Missing Barry - February 9, 2012
Triple-D
Double Double for the Dragon!
Bigmouth - February 8, 2012
Not to be a hater, but why all the fuss over a guy we don't have on our team anymore?
I am not tryin to throw salt in his game, matter of fact, I like JLin…I follow him on Facebook, but this is GSOM, for God’s sakes! Do we keep posting about Stack Jack or JRich when they have good games? Go hype him up on the NY blogs. #2cents
crossphaded - February 8, 2012
Our team isn't playing a game
and the season is going no where. We are looking for entertainment. We get on a winning steak and no one will care about Lin.
I personally follow all my favorite ex-Warriors. I have to pay attention to something in the playoffs. I like to root for players in the playoffs that at least used to be on the Warriors.
brutusbrutus - February 8, 2012
Interestingly, also, both, Lin, and a still-semi-lame Reggie, are proving they had a lot more value than we gave them...or, got, for them!
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
So it's about the inept front office (Riley, Myers, West)
that gave away Reggie, Lin, and the amnesty for nothing.
RumTMC - February 9, 2012
So it's about the inept front office (Riley, Myers, West) that gave away Reggie, Lin, and the amnesty for nothing.
no it’s about being undersized and not able to control the boards and paint.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 9, 2012
I’m curious what you think we could have gotten for guys like Reggie and Lin? I think you have a fair point if you think we should have kept them, but let’s not pretend they had any trade value that we sorely missed out on or anything. Role players come and go, and teams aren’t often willing to trade much for them when they can sign another similar player on the free agent market for not too much $.
Missing Barry - February 10, 2012
Why couldn't Reggie have been a starter?
He had a top 15 PPP offense last year…After starting he could have some good value.
GovernorStephCurry - February 10, 2012
Starting for us? We have that Monta guy. If you want to suggest that starting would raise Reggie’s value, we’d also have to figure not starting would hurt Monta’s, right?
Missing Barry - February 10, 2012
. If you want to suggest that starting would raise Reggie’s value, we’d also have to figure not starting would hurt Monta’s, right?
haha, all these what-if-er’s think we can start 10 players I guess?
Skeptic con Urquell - February 10, 2012
BTW, whenever you are down and feel like the Dubs have let you down, think about the poor Wizards
that team is in shambles and they play is just a microcosm of that team. Matador defense and you let a D-leaguer sh!t on you with an uncontested dunk. SMH
crossphaded - February 8, 2012
True, but I love me some John Wall.
Missing Barry - February 8, 2012
Anthony Davis and John Wall could be a nice combo someday.
GovernorStephCurry - February 8, 2012
CATFOOODS - February 8, 2012
lololol
MontaXAllXDay - February 8, 2012
lollol....great stuff!
dinohealth - February 9, 2012
The best warrior
is an ex warrior
WeBelieveInEllison - February 8, 2012
really it's Stanford that should feel sh*ty
guy wins a state championship across the street…
JimPunkrockford - February 9, 2012
How David Lee contributes off the court
He learned about Lin’s homelessness and gave him the keys to his NY apartment.
the.monk - February 9, 2012
Classy move.
Missing Barry - February 10, 2012
A lot of people wouldn’t mind sleeping on a couch of a nice Manhattan condo haha.
GovernorStephCurry - February 10, 2012
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