Golden State Of Mind

Yup

20+ points and 8 dimes a game? Totally sustainable. GSW just waived a HoF.

I do not know if we have a future HoF in our starting backcourt, but it would sure help if we had a bonafide PG. Jeremy Lin is showing he is certainly THAT!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201002100GSW.html

Dude, it’s two games. These weren’t back-to-back, but they were 2 out of 3:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201002170GSW.html

I would assess him also on the fact that his greatest weaknesses were his jump shot and mediocre passing. He’s got good height, good speed, good handles, great composure and a great work ethic. I expected him to eventually be a pretty good asset. That said, we shouldn’t expect him to continue going on a tear like this.

Naticus - February 7, 2012 reply

Keith Smart = Not Smart

This just goes to show how dumb Keith Smart was as a coach last year. He rode Monta into the ground, didn’t play Curry or Reggie Williams as much, and gave maybe the worst player in the entire league regular minutes (Acie Law).

Jeremy Lin’s shooting over 50%, just as he did in D-league (triple double this year). People say he doesn’t have a jump shot but he has a great 15-18 foot shot, just not a 3-point shot. His defense is also great. The past two games he held Deron Williams and Devin Harris to a combined 5 for 18 shooting. Deron Williams did nothing after Lin started guarding him late in the 1st quarter.

BayMind - February 8, 2012 reply

Same feeling fjm and I cant wait to watch Lin verses John Wall tonight......sigh.

Undiscovered Country theuc.us - February 11, 2012 reply

hey Cali

it’s NY; damn Lin’s good

I'm not mad for the reasons other fans are mad

I didn’t think he would be this good – and I think he will take a step back as defenses key on him more.

I’m mad because be basically dumped Lin, along with Reggie and Charlie Bell (wasted amnesty), to add a couple million dollars to a contract for a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. A couple million won’t stop a team from resigning a player. Instead of having a player with upside on a cheap contract and a great shooter, we put all our eggs in one basket. And that basket had a hole in the bottom because DeAndre Jordan was a restricted free agent!!!!

doubleteapot - February 6, 2012 reply

Yeah, it basically never makes sense to go after a restricted free agent. Either you grossly overpay him to the point the other team laughs and says “go for it!”, or the other team matches. Lose/lose…

Missing Barry - February 6, 2012 reply

Yep, that entire move was the dumbest I have seen in a long time...

Or you have reason to believe, they don't want to match a deal

Which in Deandre’s case we NEVER got…

It was banking on Sterling being cheap. OK, he’s cheap, but cmon, that’s NBA2k12 logic.

this

fjm - February 6, 2012 reply

Well,

to be fair, the Warriors didn’t put all their eggs in the DeAndre Jordan basket. If they did, they would have amnestied Biedrins. The problem is that what the Warriors did was far worse than amnestying Biedrins.

Wolvkil23 - February 7, 2012 reply

Not putting all their eggs in that deal, was even dumber, as the result clearly indicates....

Agree....

Amen! Underassessing Lin and Reggie was a crime! Losing them for no reason was just plain dumb!

Relevant rant doubleteapot....Rec'd....

There was no telling that Lin would put up numbers like this

Lin just happened to land on a team that desperately needed a decent point guard. Poor play from Toney and Bibby (Shump fits better at SG) as well as Baron’s health issues thrust him into the NY spotlight. Plus, D’Antoni’s offense runs heavily through the Pick n Roll, which Lin is surprisingly good at.

Bottom line is that it happens and Lin was put into a situation much better than he would’ve had with the Warriors. I’m happy for him, not only as another Asian-American but as a hometown Bay Area guy.

lameallenmark - February 6, 2012 reply

"A team that desperately needed a decent point guard". Kinda like ours?

Lin played the same way since preseason game last year

Then, Smart asking to do the total opposite, pass the ball as soon as he cross the half court, shoot mid range, and wait at 3pt line. What an ass.

And I heard Knicks actually delayed Barron’s return about a week or so because of Lin.

Houston has to let Lin go because they have too many good PGs. Stupid Warriors….

Yep, correct on all counts, including the delayed return...and, our stupidity.

Bottom line is that it happens and Lin was put into a situation much better than he would’ve had with the Warriors

Exactly, We are not the knicks ,we need other things than JLin. We coulda kept him around as insurance but when that need came up we found nate so it don’t really matter.
I find fault with many things management does but this is not one of those things.

nate vs lin

I’d take lin even before these 2 games,

Ha, can’t argue there, though if Nate keeps passing I’m fine with him.

I’d take lin even before these 2 games,

why? I doubt Lin could inspire our scrubs any better than nate has, he seems to have made a connection with them that works.Keep in mind that Lin has only started one game while nate has started quite a few and that experience and track record are more important in a back up than potential.

Lin will probably need to work on his left hand

Teams will eventually force him left

doubleteapot - February 6, 2012 reply

He can go left, though

But he likes to go right.

doubleteapot - February 6, 2012 reply

Soon he gonna be scouted

But still I wonder if Jenkins and Lin play one on one basket. Who do you think gonna win?

mykelala01 - February 6, 2012 reply

Who’s bigger? I’m gonna go with that guy. One on one is a dumb game because the bigger dude, if he really concentrates, has patience, and wants to, should win almost every time. Of course, most big men are lumpheads with stone hands, so not like they’ll ever figure it out. ;)

Missing Barry - February 6, 2012 reply

So exactly the reason Warriors dump Lin

they think that on ISO situation Jenkins got bigger built and got quickness against Lin. But not all big player win, on a one on one competition. Sometimes quickness and ability to finish around the rim and how streaky shooter you are.

mykelala01 - February 7, 2012 reply

If the bigger player wants to, he can slowly work his way to the rim and shoot over the other guy every time. It’s unstoppable. One on one isn’t the same as an iso in 5 on 5.

One on one isn’t the same as an iso in 5 on 5.

Yup you are right. But still puzzle me is why Warriors pick Jenkins over Lin. They almost have the same height. Built by judging it, Jenkins got better built. Quickness I say Jenkins got better first step. But What Lin is good at, playing the pick and roll. And good basketball IQ too. We still don’t know what Jenkins capable off. Because like Lins’ of Smart era he never see much playing time.

mykelala01 - February 7, 2012 reply

I don’t have an answer to that, though I’m not sure it’s an accurate description to say the Warriors chose Jenkins over Lin.

It’s unstoppable.

Unless the smaller player is a good flopper.
Or the smaller player holds his ground.
Or the smaller player gets a steal.
Or the bigger player is just not as good at basketball.

KillaContract - February 7, 2012 reply

I love it. Totally correct. I had the bigger/smaller generalizations when the difference is 2-3 inches.

At this level,b-ball IQ, athletic ability, and skill sets mean so mcuh more than a 2-3 inch height advantage.

athletic ability, and skill sets mean so much more than a 2-3 inch height advantage

Nate the great is one example of that.

mykelala01 - February 7, 2012 reply

We’re talking about one-on-one right now, not playing actual basketball.

Dude, we’re talking one-on-one. There’s no such thing as flopping in one-on-one. And you can’t just hold your ground – with the entire floor to work with, they don’t need to try to go through you, they can slowly work back and forth until they’re close to the hoop, with their back to you. The last point is important because you can’t steal the ball from someone protecting it like that, unless they’re a truly bad ballhandler.

In 5 on 5, I don’t disagree. One on one isn’t 5 on 5, though.

If the bigger player wants to, he can slowly work his way to the rim and shoot over the other guy every time.

if the two guys are equally skilled then the big guy should win but otherwise you’d need to evaluate their two skill sets to see if the big guy has the ball handling skills to get close enough to the basket to score.

You only need basic ballhandling to get to the hoop if you’re patient enough.

The thing is...it was the way Lin led the team and made them better....

His high points were just icing….his play was pure point guard….with energy and aggression…I caught the Knicks/Utah game and was stunned….Lin says he was allowed to play through his mistakes….of course they were desperate but ……hmmmmm.

Right now, the team that Lin is PG for. Bonafide PGs, and their effectiveness is not measured by one-on-one results!

Bigger PG with defense minded, I said Lin wins.

lol, maybe...I think you know what I was trying to point out...at the point!

Bigger?

They both have the same listed height, but Jenkins is built stronger.

they both listed the same, but Lin clearly is taller than Curry and Monta.

Lin is more like 6’4".

I like Jenkins ok and wish that he was getting some minutes to grow but Lin was increadible with the Nets and Jazz.

Cant wait to see him against Wall tonight.

"I'm riding him like friggin' Secretariat." -- Mike D'Antoni on Lin.

LOL

Lam1234 - February 6, 2012 reply

Yep, I loved that statement! Smart coach! Lin also happens to be a smart point guard.

He will figure ways out to win and deliver, even when defenses start keying on him…

Sigh

I do NOT like the Warriors right now. I think there are plenty that are just downright fed up with the team now. All time low for me, that’s for sure. Please Larry Ellison, buy the Kings. Their future looks as bright as OKC’s after this season. Once they get Harrison Barnes, they’ll win me over.

bojangles408 - February 6, 2012 reply

Dang...

Evans/Thornton/Barnes/Thompson/Cousins. You lucky man Keith Smart.

bojangles408 - February 6, 2012 reply

All time low? Man did you watch the 90’s? Post-Webber win totals: 26, 36, 30, 19, 21*, 19, 17, 21….which brings us to the oh-so-awesome Dunleavy-era we all remember so fondly….

*lockout shortened season

(For the record, I still prefer Lacob & Co to Ellison)

Same here...

(For the record, I still prefer Lacob & Co to Ellison)

. All time low for me, that’s for sure.

All time low because JLin has a couple of good games at NYK? I don’t get the connection? If it’s good for Lin it’s bad for dubs fans?? When he has bad games there will you then have an all time high?

oversimplification

and while he didnt mention everything bojangles is probably frustrated (with many warrior fans) about all the moves that the warriors made (except amundson for rush). You know that.

while he didn't mention everything

we’ve had way worse things happen over the last few years; trading Jrich to destroy we believe, the moped-gate disaster,and binky’s ankle problems to name a few. JLin is way down there on my downer list, the only recently departed explayer I really wish they’d kept is anthony rudolf.

Lin and Thompson better back court combination than Curry and Ellis?

Certainly much better defense. Thompson guarded Tyreke Evans really well and Lin is great on D.

JSML - February 7, 2012 reply

Gee, funny no one is responding to this one...Frankly, Lin is a better PG than both Curry and Ellis. Beyond that, either Curry or Ellis at their natural position, SG, is OK!

Frankly, Lin is a better PG than both Curry and Ellis.

I think it’s a little early to say that, at least with respect to Curry. Like Curry, Lin was more of a combo guard / primary scoring option / “the man” than a true PG in college. He’s the same age as Curry (well, 150 days younger). In the pros so far, their assist and turnover rates are pretty similar:

Per 36
6.4 / 3.0 Lin
5.9 / 3.1 Curry

That said, I like Lin’s game fair amount. He brings a toughness on D that both Curry and Ellis lack. (Without looking at the exact measurements, I think he’s got a slightly bigger frame and wingspan than they do). Unlike Monta, he rebounds pretty well. I actually think he’d make a very nice backcourt complement to Curry, in that:

• His biggest weakness (perimeter shooting) is Curry’s greatest strength
• He’s good at penetrating / breaking down defenses / driving and kicking
• He’s big / aggressive enough to guards NBA twos on occasion
• He handles well enough to let Curry play off ball on occasion

Sigh. It’s looking like Lin may be one more on a growing list of players we’ve gotten rid of before Monta who (1) are a better fit on this team than Monta, (2) probably add no fewer wins than Monta; and (3) make a whole ton less money than Monta. Let’s see now: Azubuike, Morrow, CJ Watson, Reggie Williams, Lin. Am I forgetting anyone?

And of course, Lin has the added value of being a local kid and fan fave.

When will the madness end, Lacob?

I hear you, Sleepy. Simply pointing out that Lin is a purte PG, whereas, Curry, is not. Neither is Monta.

A pure PG sets your offense and defense. A pure PG, is a master at getting everyone involved on offense and defense. A pure PG, penetrates and creates, kicks out and in. A pure PG, protects the ball, and will take a minor miracle to take it from him. A pure PG, will get your team the winning buckets one way or another. A pure PG, will find ways to beat you when everyone thinks there are none. Curry or Monta, at Shooting Guard, would make a great complement to Lin, at PG! They are not, PGs, regarless of where we are trying to play them on any given night, or, how hard they try to convert to that position (Curry)!

A pure PG [snip]

I’m simply pointing at that Jeremy Lin is not that. Not yet, anyway. He’s the same age as Curry and has shown the same level of “pure PG” skills, both in college and the pros, as Curry has. The salient differences between the two right now are (1) Lin appears to be a bit better at penetrating, and a bit stouter on D, and (2) Curry is a vastly better shooter and scorer. Neither is remotely CP3 or Nash at this stage of their careers.

Lin is a better PG, already. Curry is a better player, not, a better PG.

Lin is a better PG, already.

Your asserting doesn’t make it so. What are you basing your assertion on?

he keeps saying curry is not a point guard, but backing it up with absolutely nothing

he just says it over and over again

First, Lin played PG in college, Curry did not. So, if you get that fact straight, you will see where I am coming from.

That is if what you have seen on the court the last two years of Curry trying to convert has not convinced you that he is not a natural for that position!

curry did play PG in college in his junior year

it's the reason his draft stock jumped so much from his soph year when he made the deep tournament run

but was still projected as a 2nd rounder because he was seen as too small to play the 2, and they didn’t think he could play the point.

Agree. Everyone knows that he was a pure shooting guard, that had to convert (so they said) to play in the NBA...

And, still remains to be seen if he can play the point with any great success as a PG!

First, Lin played PG in college, Curry did not. So, if you get that fact straight, you will see where I am coming from.

I’m not sure you’re entirely clear on the concept of “facts.” As BK points out, Curry was Davidson’s de facto PG his last year in college. Try these facts:

College career
Lin 3.5 assists in 29.2 mpg
Curry 3.7 assists in 32.6 mpg

Final year in college / peak college PG level
Lin (as a senior) 4.5 assists 32.2 minutes
Curry (as a junior) 5.6 assists in 32.6 minutes

Don't mean sugar...Monta routinely disses out more assists than Curry, that does not make him a PG!

Monta routinely [dishes] out more assists than Curry, that does not make him a PG!

Monta’s assist rate is significantly lower than Curry’s, both this season and over the course of his career.

If not assist rate (and turnover rate) what are you basing this assessment of “PG-ness” on? It sounds like you’re just randomly throwing the term out there and forcing people to accept it because you say it’s so. Please stop.

Dude, Monta is leading this team with 6.2 assists per game. That, is a statistical fact!

Dude, Monta is leading this team with 6.2 assists per game. That, is a statistical fact!

if you want to make up numbers and claim them as fact, you should at least pick a statistic that isn’t so easy to look up. monta and steph are both averaging 6.5 assists per game, but curry is doing it in 6 less minutes per game

I repeat, Curry came up as a shooting guard that had to convert to play NBA ball...

They both were primary ballhandlers that shot a lot more than they passed. I’m not seeing the distinction you’re making?

MB, there is a heck of a lot of difference between a SG who handles the ball a lot, and a PG.

Anyone who has played PG can fill in the details.

Yeah, and you have yet to provide any supporting evidence for why two guys who shoot a lot and pass a little should be classified completely differently.

(Just for the record I was a pretty good HS PG myself, and because you’ve made no attempt to explain yourself whatsoever, I fail to see what you’re getting at)

I doubt your self-assessment as PG, if I have to explain to you THAT difference and you need empirical evidence of same.

I’m not telling you what kind of evidence you have to use. I’m simply telling you a strong argument is one where you present your opinion, and use supporting examples/evidence to back it up. There is no definition for what that evidence has to be…but if you’re gonna keep asserting something without providing much evidence…well, that isn’t a strong argument.

Here is what I’ve gotten from you: Lin = PG. Kemba Walker = PG. Curry = not PG. For the life of me, I can’t figure out what your definition of a PG is. Me? I’m generally into guys with good basketball IQ that can run an offense and get their teammates involved, but it will vary somewhat depending on the situation.

I’ve seen Curry do this effectively, even in long spurts (like last couple months of his rookie season). I’ve also seen him struggle with decisionmaking over 3 seasons now and fail to take a significant step forward from his rookie year. It would be nice if he was a better penetrator, but oh well – you don’t have to be to be an effective PG, and his shooting makes up for it. He has the ballhandling, vision, and shows flashes of IQ that most other players can’t match…he just hasn’t put it together yet.

Lin – haven’t seen much of him. Not gonna make any pronouncements until he performs over a longer span. Haven’t seen the past two games, but from what I saw last year…he wasn’t much of a playmaker or creator for teammates. Not necessarily a natural passer. Lack of shooting will make driving harder. Never saw anything that made me think “natural PG”, but he has solid ballhandler skills, and is more athletic than Curry, so he has some things going for him.

Kemba – ugh. Where to begin. Has no idea how to run an offense. I think I once saw him pass the ball. No basketball IQ whatsoever. Terrible player, and nothing remotely PG-like about him. Haven’t actually seen him play in the NBA, but saw wayyyyyyyy too much of him in college. Truly doesn’t understand the game of basketball, but sure likes to shoot! Has never made his teammates better, or gotten them involved in the offense. Just not a PG at all.

Agree on Curry. Too bad you did not see Lin in those two games. Should have seen Kemba play with Reggie.

For the sake of my eyes health, I prefer to avoid watching Kemba. :\

I actually will watch Charlotte next time they’re on. Not for Kemba though – got other reasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201201100CHA.html

Worth noting – if we’re talking about the Warriors/Bobcats game, it was definitely one of Kemba’s two best games of the season. Games like this have been more the norm for him:

Hey, MB. He is just getting to start. Just like Lin.

I’d definitely take Lin over Kemba.

That's fair. Today. Both, are showing promise as PGs in the NBA. Today.

Kemba does have the age advantage. That said, I have a really, really tough time envisioning the guy who played for UConn last year ever running the point. He was just so….lacking….in everything!

Well, MB, in college people play as needed, where needed.

Kemba, at U Conn was a scoring Mr. Clutch as well as the floor leader. Curry was a SG his most successful year (sophomore). Lin was PG who led his team in scoring, rebounds, and assists! All 3 are now having an opportunity at the NBA PG position. In a very small sample, Lin and Kemba have excelled (maybe playing the best of their very short careers). Curry, we have a much larger sample to look at. Time will tell.

Lin has excelled for two games. Kemba has not excelled. He’s having an awful season any way you look at it. And you can’t excuse his college season just by it being college. He was a black hole/ballhog of the highest order, and wasn’t a particularly effective offensive player, nor did he do a good job leading the offense. They won primarily because of defense. He had a very clutch year, but if I was a betting man, I’d put money against him sustaining his clutch performance.

I would agree that it is too early to classify Lin as a "pure" PG compared to Curry but....

He played like one for the Knicks against Utah…maybe a fuke but it looked kinda Chris Paulish…

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/2/5/2773984/the-legend-of-jeremy-lin

From Posting and Toasting...hilarious.

Great artwork/ditty about Lin sleeping on Landry Fields sofa with his psycho cat!

Lin probably cannot afford a NY apartment without a contract….actually he has been living on his brother’s sofa in the Buroughs(NYer speak for “the Burbs”)

His biggest weakness (perimeter shooting) is Curry’s greatest strength

I haven’t looked at JLin film since he was on our team but he was a bad shooter and very mechanical in his play at that time. He looked like a guy performing a cover of a ball player, contrived but not quite as good as the original. As he gets more experience hopefully he’ll get better but I have no problem with management cutting him as point guards are not our problem.

Do look at Lin's last 2 games in full if you can

I was shocked how much he has slowed his frantic playing style. Looked deliberate running the point. Pick and roll to start the play almost every time.

What I remember of him from last year was he played so fast and either passed the ball really quickly or tried to bull doze to the rim like Monta.

JSML - February 7, 2012 reply

His name could be changed to PnRLin1 if he keeps up what he did in those 2 games...

Wow how many magic mushrooms did you ate lately?!

I hope you will be so loud after Lin goes 5(2-11 fg), 0 reb., 3 ast., 6 TO.

buky - February 7, 2012 reply

Off night. lol

I like Jeremy.

Definitely a fan, if not for his game, than for him as a person. So on that level, I didn’t like seeing him go when he was released. It was especially aggravating to know that, like the Bell amnesty, it was a pointless and directionless move. That should have been clear to management from the start. How it wasn’t, I really don’t know. Whether or not he would have ever had the chance to have two huge games as a Warrior is a big question. It’s possible that had we kept him, our roster looks very different than it currently does.

So being a fan of Jeremy’s, it does kind of sting to see him succeed elsewhere. However, considering the likelihood of him ever succeeding here, I’m happy for him. He clearly wasn’t truly valued or wanted here, as shown by our willingness to cut him to add a couple extra hundred thousand dollars to the Deandre offer sheet. Our management treated him exactly the way many fans initially viewed the signing: A publicity stunt. I don’t blame him for not being interested in our attempts to bring him back. Hopefully he keeps it up and really becomes a key piece in turning the Knicks around. He really seems like the kind of guy that most people should want to succeed, even if he is a Viking…lol

Brownie13 - February 7, 2012 reply

"Whether or not he would have ever had the chance to have two huge games as a Warrior is a big question."

That, Brownie, IS our problem. We were so stacked with bonafide point guard talent (SMIRK), that guys like LIn didn’t stand a chance. We totally suck in evaluating talent and our needs. Same applies to Reggie. Both, were high quality ball players. Our starting five still do not have a bonafide PG! That is why we will continue to be a less-than-mediocre team.

Our starting five still do not have a bonafide PG! That is why we will continue to be a less-than-mediocre team.

The starting fives of (for example) Miami, San Antonio, and the Lakers also lack “bona fide PGs.” Jordan’s Bulls — the best team in most GSoMers’ lifetimes — lacked a “bona fide PG.” Bird’s Celtics lacked a “bona fide PG.”

The thing the Warriors most obviously lack is bona fide star — at any position. Beyond that: the lack of size, defense and rebounding remain fundamental flaws. You can throw as many mediocre “bona fide PGs” as you like at the problem (the Jamal Tinsleys and TJ Fords of the world), but it’s unlikely to move the dial much if at all in terms of W-L.

Well, let's start with a bonafide "star" at....POINT GUARD!

CP3
Deron
Rose
Westbrook
Nash
Rondo

I think that’s more or less the list. Who are suggesting we acquire, and how?

Jeremy Lin. Add him to the list. He is better at PG than anyone that is starting. Ooops, I forgot, we let him go.

Lin’s a bona fide star?

i don't think he knows what bona fide means

he has also called kemba walker a bona fide PG

Yep, Kemba is a PG.

Seriously, dude. Stop.

There is literally nothing, in college or in the pros, that suggests that Kemba Walker is more of a "true PG" than Curry (or Lin).

Please organize your thoughts into a coherent post or two and stop littering the board with baseless assertions, low-quality one-liners, and plus ones.

[@dinohealth: please stop repeating yourself. You’ve made your point. if you can’t provide one shred of added support for the point — scouting or statistics based — and all you’re going to do is litter the thread with the same assertion, with exclamation points, you’re going to find your posts hidden. Thanks.]

Not fair, Sleepy, and very Un-American!

Meh, just looking out for the quality of the site. Nobody here wants to read the same one-line assertion repeated over and over. It’s a waste of people’s time and bandwidth. If you have something new to add to the discussion, by all means feel free share it. But please do make an effort to collect your thoughts into a coherent, substantive post or two (or three, or four) rather than posting low-quality one-line replies to every post in the thread. GSoM is not a chat room. Thanks.

I disagree with you about the quality of those one-line assertions, but, you run the site.

I know basketball. In one line I can assert, very efficiently, a fact. I would think that you would appreciate that, in the interest of brevity and clarity in this site. Perhaps you did not like the fact that I corrected you about Curry not being a PG. Playing the point as a junior to raise his stock when people questioned whether or not he can play in the NBA, still does not make him a PG. That does not mean Steph is not a great player putting forth a great effort at the point. It menas, up till now, the jury is out on his making it as a good PG!

Playing the point as a junior to raise his stock when people questioned whether or not he can play in the NBA, still does not make him a PG.

his stock was only raised because he showed that he was capable of playing the point. if he tried to play the point and failed, why would his stock increase? your argument doesn’t make sense.

Playing...to raise..That does not mean his stock got much of a raise!

Steph was going to be drafted in the NBA. Remember when he first came to the Warriors? The big question was whether he would make it in the NBA! I think he has answered that. The next question was, can he transition to a good PG? That jury is out. What in any of this does not make sense?

it was raised significantly

he went from being a projected middle 2nd rounder (in the 40’s) to being the 7th pick.

In one line I can assert, very efficiently, a fact. I would think that you would appreciate that, in the interest of brevity and clarity in this site.

what you’re expressing is not a fact, it is an opinion. and an opinion needs support to have any meaning.

You are right, Big K. I apologize for suggesting that Curry is much better as a shooting guard, his natural positions, than a PG.

That’s from a guy that fervently hopes he makes it as a PG, with Monta as a SG; firmly believing that it would be a devastating backcourt, when, and, if, it happens! Now, I wil refrain from researching that opinion. Opinions, in here, and data are presented with a political correctness rarely found in a sports blog. I have already been threatened with the “death penalty” for “baseless oneliners” in here. So, in the interest of not drawing any parallels to McCartheistic puritanism, and self-righteous pontification, I will simply state that a lot of facts may be presented with not an announce of basketball sense!

You are right, Big K. I apologize for suggesting that Curry is much better as a shooting guard, his natural positions, than a PG.

You’ve missed the point entirely. Don’t apologize for your opinion, apologize for not providing support for that opinion…or heck, don’t apologize at all and actually make the supporting case for your opinion. Provide evidence.

MB, we have been obseving Curry trying to play PG for two years, now.

His record is out there, so is the team’s. I am not going to rehash numbers of turnovers and effectiveness in key situations. On the other hand, Lin got a chance to show what he can do as PG with a team for two games. He did that very effectively both games.

MB, we have been obseving Curry trying to play PG for two years, now.

and according to RAPM, he has been a very large positive doing it.

RAPM is a statistic indicator. It is just that. It will never tell you the full story!

So what's the "full story"?

You specifically mentioned “key situations” but you might have noticed that the team tends to go to Monta, not Curry, in those situations … so blaming Curry for our failures there seems stupid.

Curry’s been playing on a team with a ball-hogging, defensive sieve SG and, frequently, no interior defense to speak of. In what way does blaming him for our problems make any sense?

Ronaldinho - February 7, 2012 reply

I have been stating the full story. Lin did not need a "second unit" to lead his team to the two victories.

And, he was not on the bench.

On the other hand, Lin got a chance to show what he can do as PG with a team for two games. He did that very effectively both games.

Sure, he had two good games. Sample size, man. I can find you two games that make Antawn Jamison look like a HoF-er and Lebron James like a scrub. So what. If Lin keeps his performance up, your point will obviously look better, but so far it’s two freaking games man. Everyone knows two good games can happen to anyone, and I suspect you know that, as well.

This blog is addressing the effect of those two games....

Correct me if I’m wrong, but our conversation has been about how good a player Lin is, as opposed to how effective he was this past two games?

LinSanity! :-)

Perhaps you did not like the fact that I corrected you about Curry not being a PG.

Perhaps you missed the recent utah game where binky was 29,12,and 5? Curry has proved that he’s a fine point guard as long as he’s not hurt.

Didn't Lin do that last night, in his first NBA start?

Yes, Curry has had some fine PG nights…

Didn't Lin do that last night, in his first NBA start?

haha, put him on the court and he’s trouble, almost fuck’d around and got a triple double
( if he’d just got 2 more turnovers wasn’t it?)
So what’s your final position on Binky, can he play point but is not a point or can’t he play point but puts up point like numbers, or what?

My final position on Binky

He is a great, highly skilled offensive SG, who is doing his damnest to play PG for the GSW for the last two years, with marginal results.

I actually question the part about him “doing his damnest”. I would have expected more improvement by now. Not a good sign that we’ve seen so little.

Dude is a first ballot HoF.

Well, we could have acquired the first two for Curry

This much we know. Potentially the last 2 also. Granted, no point in Nash cause of age.

I’m getting increasingly annoyed with Steph’s lack of development. Not that he’s bad or i’m giving up, but it’s proven, when he takes care of the ball and plays a good game buth Monta and Lee playu much better. Easier, looks. Both become very efficient scorers. Something both have proven over their careers, when set up, they score at high-efficiency levels (monta’s spot up shooting is documented, we know he can cut and finish, it’s the iso’s which are the problem. Lee similarly, we know what he can do, finish at rim, PnRs, and hit the mid-ranger.

We refused to become we’re afraid they’ll walk. In my opinion, that’s banishing yourself to mediocrity. If new ownership is bold, and wants to change the culture, they’d acquire a culture changing player like CP3 or even Deron. With either, we’re a playoff team. With either + Chandler, we’re a deep-ish playoff team. And a move or two down the line, a potential contender (that move would likely be monta or lee for a better #2 option, and allowing the remainder to play the #3 role).

And they’d find a way to make them stay. They’d make the moves to keep them happy. I truly have a hard time seeing either walking with over 30 mil on the table. And if they did, oh well, we blow it up and rebuild.

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Meanwhile, instead of gambling on such moves, we keep saying ‘we believe in steph’, yet we won’t actually admit, he’s a long term player, so we don’t dump the surrounding peices and go full rebuild.

The plan just annoys me. Either trade Steph for an all-star, like we could have, or move Monta/Lee and go full-pedo

i'd much rather start with a bonafide star ANYWHERE

lol +

Now wait a minute

Tony Parker was the PG for the Spurs. Also, the Bulls had a man called MJ who shot 50% from the field as a shooting guard… not sure you could compare the Bulls to any other team. And I’d like to point out the Lakers ran the triangle, a system that does not require a true PG. We do not run the triangle.

I agree it’s not about point guards. But we need someone we can run the offense through – perhaps a point forward like Scottie Pippen. Curry, unfortunately, is turning it over too much. We need someone who can execute the offense consistently. Point is, someone needs to handle the ball, and unfortunately both our guards turn the ball over too much. Andre Miller, for example, would be a good PG to have.

doubleteapot - February 7, 2012 reply

Definitely agree. We’re a perimeter team whose primary ballhandlers aren’t playing well enough in that role.

Nailed it Sleepy...Boom!

The thing the Warriors most obviously lack is bona fide star — at any position.

I miss Morrow.

:( He was my favorite.

shahbazi3 - February 7, 2012 reply

I miss Morrow.

I miss JRich cause we haven’t gone to playoffs since he left but he’s gone without us.

It’s too early to tell right now, but his numbers will probably drop as teams focus more on him. So far, (SSS), he’s shooting pretty efficiently but has a problem with TOs, which is a problem with young PGs in general. As far as regret, we still have Robinson and Jenkins, but it was a pretty dumb move by management to cut Lin who was cheap and had potential to go for DeAndre Jordan.

Wolvkil23 - February 7, 2012 reply

I think he is a smart PG, and though his numbers may drop, he will continue to find ways to beat you.

Always have wondered if this guy has a tanning machine in his office?

Both Melo and Amare were out

how can you ignore this kid?

+ Yep, just took what was left on the floor, and won. That is what good PGs can do!

45 minutes!

crazy

lol..and fatigued at the end, but, still delivering!

his per 36's are getting worse ;)

lol....yep...damn...he is winning!

FROM THE AP: Going nowhere all season without a real point guard, the Knicks turned to Lin..... and he delivered 25 points. He was even better in this one..... a crowd that again chanted his name all night... adding a career-best eight assists.

The value of a real point guard, even a sophomore. We lost Lin and Reggie out of sheer stupidity. Not assessing their potential correctly was criminal! Nate is good, and Rush is playing phonomenally. However, we had some quality pieces; we just had our arses where our heads should be!

Not assessing their potential correctly was criminal!

Really? Serious question – how good do you think we’d be with them on the team? I see a team that’s still not playoff caliber, or going anywhere significant in the future. We’re talking small differences here, and calling that “criminal” is….well…..way out there.

We’re talking small differences here, and calling that "criminal" is….well…..way out there.

sounds like their agents speaking?

Getting back to the original blog I am responding to, would you at least admit that it was dumb to get rid of Lin and Reggie in the manner that we did?

That’s definitely a fair point to make. They both look like useful players who left and we got nothing in return.

And, when Curry went down, we went scrambling for a PG.

We were lucky to get Nate in the nick-of-time. We replaced Lin and Reggie with a “maybe” on Jenkins and Thompson. Now, it may pan out for us, but, it does not negate the fact that at that time, it was a dumb move!

Ha, let’s see how Nate plays the rest of the season. I’m not so sure having Nate is a positive…

Yes, but, better than nothing, when Curry went down.

And so far, he’s actually played well. Who knows, maybe he keeps it up.

Good for Lin. I am sure after he was waived he realized that he would never have the chance with GSW as he does with the Knicks with Curry and Monta locked in to start. The Knicks Guards are turrible.

Are our guards more terrible? The Knicks are starting a bonafide PG: Jeremy Lin. We are starting two shooting guards, with obvious results.

are you suggesting that Lin is a better

Point guard than Curry?

If so

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DubsDominate - February 7, 2012 via mobile reply

I guess

That’s why they are referring to it as lINSANITY

DubsDominate - February 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Don't get me wrong. I think Steph is a a great ball player, making a great effort to play point.

I am pulling that it works out with Monta at SG. It could be awesome. However, neither one of them is a bonafide PG!

Lol...I hope Lin is still starting at PG when we play them. It will be interesting to see...

We’ll see

DubsDominate - February 7, 2012 via mobile reply

again stop repeating yourself...

You’re really starting to sound like Jridah.

J-Ridah makes a lot of basketball sense..

J-Ridah makes a lot of basketball sense..

hard to miss the broad side of the barn with a shotgun.

I do not know. Some guys that never held a shotgun, and are nearsighted, may miss it.

Look at what is happening in here, and the moves that the FO made with Lin and Reggie :-)

Do they deserve to be locked in?

Both have been a model of inconsistency.

Seriously, I applaud Jackson for benching both v. Kings. I’m REALLY tired of all of them, but specifically the free pass Steph gets. He’s been very inconsistent . When he plays good, we win. He follows it up with not just a bad shooting night (that happens) but a major turnover night, and not just turnovers but careless ones.

It’s not surprising, when Steph takes care of the ball and plays well, Monta and Lee play a lot better. However, one wonders how well that’d play with a more consistent pg.

Usually, when the PG takes care of the ball and playes well, the team plays well....(Speaking of LIn and a depleted NY).

Steph, is a great SG, and so far, a marginal PG!

Lin didn't take care of the ball last night

8 turnovers. Lucky win.

I agree. Eight turnovers is not anything to write home about for a PG!

However, he scored on three, critical, 3 point plays in the 4th quarter, that led to a win by his depleted team. A performance that also got 28 points and 8 assists. In sum, Lin, was a +12, and the entire starting lineup’s range was from a +5 to a +18. In spite of his turnovers (attributed by his coach to exhaustion after 45 minutes of play), he found the way to involve his teammates in a winning effort. Hardly, a lucky win.

Hardly, a lucky win.

However, he scored on three, critical, 3 point plays in the 4th quarter, that led to a win by his depleted team.

Take a stat class sometime and learn about sample size and random variation….

To be fair

Luck is a word with multiple meanings. In stats class, it means “random variation.” In conversation it means “No skill or ability involved.”

Frankly, I wish the stats guys had chosen another word.

achiappanza - February 7, 2012 reply

Yeah, I’ll never argue with someone who doesn’t want to call random variation luck. I completely understand. I generally call it luck…but whatever we want to call it…random variation happens.

In conversation it means "No skill or ability involved."

no , luck works both ways, the most skilled guy can lay an egg sometimes.

That's not a contradiction

Either way, skill is irrelevant to results attributed to luck.

achiappanza - February 7, 2012 reply

Seems to me the most common objection comes over things that are in a players control. Guy misses an open layup, it’s completely his fault, but it’s an unlikely case of random variation. I find many people don’t like calling that luck – and I understand why and don’t think they’re wrong, necessarily….but it is a case of an extremely unlikely event occurring.

I have a problem with the statistical definition of random variation as luck.

Luck is totally unpredictable. Random variation is predictable with certainty.

Random variation is predictable with certainty.

do you know what the word “random” means?

Well, I’m not sure exactly what you mean there. We know that random variation is going to happen, but from the standpoint of predicting when/how, we’re left in the dark. For example – I know a 90% FT-shooter is gonna miss 10 shots out of 100. I have no idea which 10.

Random variation is predictable with math/cal certainty (Advanced Stats.

Luck is not.

I’m still unclear what you mean by predictable. In large samples – yes. For any given observation – no. How is that different from luck?

Simply pointing out why I have a problem with defining luck as random variation.

The probability of ranom variation occuring can be predicted with math/cal cetainty. Luck cannot.

Can you give me an example? I’m having a hard time thinking of anything that can’t be lumped in with random variation…

I cannot. Never mind.

Since the Bronx HS of Science, West Point, and Columbia, I have had a problem with folks tryting to call luck, random variation. But, it has been so long, what the heck do I know about stats. Perhaps I ought to take a few refresher courses for a couple more years. :-)

Hey, I’ve said it before – I think it’s totally understandable to try to separate the two. I just can’t think of a technical rule to separate them or anything, you know?

I’m still unclear what you mean by predictable. In large samples – yes. For any given observation – no. How is that different from luck?

I think the difference is that random variation creates a long term probability that is also the short term probability so if the short or long term results comes out counter to the probability it’s called luck?

Because Lin was tired... played full 3rd and 4th Qs

first 2 Qs, he has 0 Turnover.

It’s not surprising, when Steph takes care of the ball and plays well, Monta and Lee play a lot better. However, one wonders how well that’d play with a more consistent pg.

Hold on a sec while I tell Curry to stop hurting his ankle so he can work on playing consistently, not try to consistently play.

Do they deserve to be locked in?

With the roster we have? Absolutely they are locked as starters. Now, are you talking about if we should trade one or the other?

Ugh... No one listened to my royal jelly podcast!

I did!

Did you not read my comment up at the top?

where?

By the way, the link in the fanshot doesn’t work…

“Lin receiving the Royal Jelly in New York?”

By the way, the link in the fanshot doesn’t work…

that’s why no one listened to it, post it here if you want it read.

Told ya – I hate podcasts!

Everyone needs to have some perspective

Lin has had a couple good games, and its caused everyone to lose subjectivity. He is in a perfect situation right now, which is good for him. The Knicks PG is so bad D’Antoni HAS to leave him in with 8 turnovers. 8 turnovers people. It was his first start so its forgivable, and he made great plays.

But to the person that said “and we don’t need a point guard?”… no we don’t, I’d much rather have a 4 year guy that is a pure point(Jenkins) to develop (and by the way he’s 6’3 220, lin 6’3 200……soooooo something tells me you’ll be disappointed with the answer to “who would win 1 on 1”) instead of another tweener.

So keep perspective and lose the rose colored glasses. If Nate had 8 turnovers next game, we’d get 5 threads that try to dissect why he’s a nice player “but why we don’t need him, let’s trade him, what are the owners doing”. It would have been nice having Lin versus not having Lin, but i’m not losing sleep over it when we’re discussing a GUARD, something that is a dime a dozen in the NBA. I’m much happier with Jenkins, B Rush and McGuire(don’t know why no one mentions him, he’s been superb in his role)

DubsDominate - February 7, 2012 via mobile reply

BS. How are you going to develop Jenkins, when he does not get any minutes? I'll take 8 turnovers on a winner, pure, PG!

Jenkins will develop practicing against

guys like Curry, Ellis, Nate in practice

Come on, he’s a rookie. What did Lin do his first year? Oh yeah…

DubsDominate - February 7, 2012 via mobile reply

HE JUST WINS BABY!!!!

LIN IS TEBOW!

the guy - February 7, 2012 reply

BTW...POINT GUARDS are not a dime a dozen in the NBA!

But to the person that said "and we don’t need a point guard?"… no we don’t, I’d much rather have a 4 year guy that is a pure point(Jenkins) to develop (and by the way he’s 6’3 220, lin 6’3 200……soooooo something tells me you’ll be disappointed with the answer to "who would win 1 on 1") instead of another tweener.

Except Jenkins is also not a pure PG.

dude, Lin has 0 trunover the first 2 Qs

He was tired, and Knicks has no other PG they can turn to so Lin played full 24 mins the second half.

But i do agree he dribble the ball too much on the second half. But without Amare, Melo and Chandler, it is a bit hard to pass the ball.

The drafting of Charles Jenkins, who’s more of a true point guard, made Lin a casualty of the Warriors effort at bolstering the roster.

jenkins is more of a true point guard than lin?

+ lol..great comment Big K

yes, he’s pass first (at least from early tapes) = true point guard. Plus Lin never played PG in college, so we signed him as a 2 guard to play behind Monta.

what...

Lin’s position was PG in college… But he had to be attack minded because he was the only person on his team who could score.

he had to be attack minded because he was the only person on his team who could score.

it was harvard wasn’t it? The other guys were probably just smarter and realized basketball is not that important in the overall scheme of life.

Listed as a guard only on most draft sites. Also, I watched a couple games (bracketbusters i think) and he was playing primarily 2 guard. He was used in a similar capacity as Curry, i.e. handle sometimes and other times no. Since I saw this similarity I classify him as closer to a 2 guard. (which I also think Curry is). We’re picking fine points here as the compromise is to call him a hybrid guard (like curry and monta before curry)… Point being Jenkins brought a different skill set that Jackson and ownership both liked and valued more than Lin. It’s just business, and I’m thinking that they felt they didn’t need another hybrid guard especially since they picked Thompson (which I wasn’t crazy about).

He plays a great PG. He dissected both defenses of the teams he faced in the small sample that generated this blog.

So we wasted amnesty on Charlie Bell and waived Jeremy Lin without really much hope of signing DJ? Great move, Riley/Lacob.

Yep, AND let Reggie go (who is now playing and contributing already).

Riley needs to go, sooner rather than later. He’s decent at identifying D-league talent, too bad he can’t identify talent on his own team.

Pippen - February 7, 2012 reply

riley is great at judging average NBA talent

it’s great when we can get that average NBA talent from the d-league for a cheap contract. it’s not great when we sign that average NBA talent to a massive contract.

i shouldn't say "judging", i should say "finding"

Lin had most points+Assists in his first start since Isaiah Thomas in '81

Oh, EV! You floored me! That is a great piece of historical fact (stat)!

Lin had most points+Assists in his first start since Isaiah Thomas in '81

haha, you really need to get a life. Who gets the prize if you subtract turnovers from the other two stats?

Just don't forget to add the Win on the W column, with 3, critical, 3point plays in the 4th quarter. I do not think even Isaiah did that!

What a great life it is, when stats correctly define the magnitude and greatness of things! (Yes, I am LMAO, and smiling cheek to cheek!)

, and smiling cheek to cheek!

me too cause it rained over night and we need the water.

LOL..I have a great one-line response, but, that I may forever avoid the Silence, I shall simply ...

recite a soliloquy out of Macbeth. I mean WTF is OK in here, over? If we cannot respond to the SOB, we shut him down…

On a tangential note...

…it makes you wonder how valuable Melo and Amare really are, lol.

Bigmouth - February 7, 2012 reply

lol...or, how great a PG Lin is for taking what's left and winning!

I think that's more impressive than his pts and asts

He ran a team of roleplayers + Chandler (who was in foul trouble early) and beat a much bigger and deeper Jazz team. And burned Harris and Watson all night.
I am not saying Lin is suddenly an all-star. But he’s way better than what the Dubs (Smart/Riley/the new FO) thought of him in training camp this year.

RumTMC - February 7, 2012 reply

Amen! That is the point I have been making in response to this blog, and I have been asked to produce valid, statistical, data to prove it!

It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that it is a subjective evaluation, devoid of a valid statistical sample, but, perhaps, with greater prognosticaitng reach than the FO demonstrated at the time of that dumb move. Of course, it is politically incorrect in here to challenge stupidity!

I’d like to point out the Jazz are a below average defensive team – not surprising given a starting frontcourt of Millsap/Jefferson. Jefferson in particular is a horrendous defensive player, one of the worst in the league at his position.

I blame Keith Smart for this

played Law over Lin and Curry…

LostHawkGSW - February 7, 2012 reply

haha Law was, just, a mess.

J.Lin can’t do hip hop abs like C.Jenkins tho

adoboguy - February 7, 2012 reply

but Lin can cook chinese food, CJ can't.

Wish Lin the best

He is a great kid who deserves to be successful in the NBA.

I think he can definitely be a solid 10pt/5assist player in the NBA. Definitely did not expect him to do more.

djfivenine - February 7, 2012 reply

I loved lin ever since he was at Harvard, but wait a week/month before declaring him NY’s PG of the future. Yes, these 2 games have been impressive, but they’ve also been versus the Nets and Utah, not great teams this year. If he can sustain 25/8 or even 15/5 stats over an extended period, then sure, he’ll be good in NY. But to make crazy declarations after 2 games is a bit rash IMO. That being said, I really do hope he does well in NY, and signs a contract that can guarantee him some financial security for more than a year. Succeeding in NY is never easy just because of the pressure of being a NY team. (ie Tom Coughlin was likely to be fired when the Giants were 7-7)

Regarding the dubs cutting him, maybe we shouldn’t have cut him. Butt to be fair, at the time, and even now, the greatest need for this team isn’t really a high scoring guard, or passer, but a decent big man. They cut him to make room for this acquisition. And with the pickup of Klay and Charles Jenkins, Lin was pushed out from a personnel stand point. Believe it or not, there is a situation in which cutting Lin loose works out for both teams. Lin seems to be a better fit in D’antoni’s offense so far. And if he finds his niche there, great. And maybe (huge maybe), the fact that management finally has it’s priorities straight in going after a decent big man will yield us the center of the future.

My prediction is that Lin will settle to 12-15/6-8 assists and could possibly get better next year from there.

The real deal is that he is showing the ability to make the Knicks better as a PG should….the “question” though will be if Camelo will work with him or undermine him…ego is a “terrible thang”….

Have to say, I loved the comments Melo made a few weeks ago when he wondered to reporters if he was shooting too much. Glad he has enough sense/maturity to see that somethings not working and look towards himself and question what he might be able to do to fix it. We’ll see if he actually makes any changes, but I’ve always like Melo (even if I think he’s overrated as a player), and would love to see him actually grow into a team player.

Missing Barry - February 8, 2012 reply

SC30 gotta be thinking it should be him in NY getting all this attention nationally that Lin is getting. He gotta be blaming Riley everytime his wife takes a vacation during a homestand.

are you personally acquainted w. Curry and his spouse ?

does your connection with the organization include that, or is this humorous speculation ? because, based on the usual superficial, fan-level, information we have about Curry, there’s another quite different response he might have : as a fellow traveler with Lin in the nazarene scripture guide to living, Curry has faith that everything happens for a reason and they’re all part of yahweh’s big scheme.

the.monk - February 7, 2012 reply

If Steph has the faith that you claim he does, explain the look on his face the moment he realized he was gonna be drafted here. And its more than speculation that his wife dont like it here.

I just watched that clip from the 09 draft

you are right! The look on his face his one of disappointment as is his body language. I was unaware he was so unhappy until as of late, which is more than obvious. Too bad… But, this was before he was married so does it mean that he also hates the bay area even without her influence? What is it? Too different than North Carolina? I would really love to know. How bad can it be, really, to be a baller with millions of dollars? Just that he had his heart set on something different?

picknpop - February 7, 2012 reply

The Bay is not for everybody. I think right now Steph is looking around and seeing his closest friends that were on the team now playing for teams where he wishes he was. Guys like Morrow,Lin,Reggie and even Ish are places he wish he was. I dont believe winning has anything to do with it. Its not like Steph’s play has been so superior to his teamates that he feels he is carrying the team. Most of the time the team loses its because of his defense and turnovers. Maybe a little hyperbole on my part but its not like he is so far above his teamates like Deron and Dwight are that he feels the need to get to a better team to win. I agree picknpop, I dont get how anybody with millions playing a game for riches that I play for free could be sad playing anywhere. I think for his wife NY or any other place hugging the Atlantic ocean is more exotic. I dont know what it is. Its not like their gonna come out and say why they prefer to be elsewhere. Charlotte cant be all that. I know he was raised there but I never heard anybody excited about visiting Charlotte as a tourist or otherwise.

and its more than speculation that his wife dont like it here.

Who cares? My wife wants to live in Paris. If she don’t like oakland tell her to not spend the money.

I agree Skeptic, she didn’t like Oakland so they moved to SF. She dont like SF either. Maybe they shoulda moved to Danville which is more like the suburb in NC they live in.

But in order to move to Danville they probably woulda had to buy a home which is out of the question when your not planning on being somewhere long term.

Plus it’s….Danville…

Danville is a great place to live. Not too many better places if you ask me.

It sure is nice. It sure is boring, as well. Also, full of Danville-ers. ;)

Warsaw cant be much better.

GovernorStephCurry - February 7, 2012 reply

Yet you place club life as a premium for african american males?

Maybe they shoulda moved to Danville which is more like the suburb in NC they live in.

or how about Woodside? Nice little burb down there.

With a "small sample size" disclaimer ...

I have to give serious props GSoM’s own Poor Man’s Commish, who was basically a one-man Lin bandwagon here back in Jan of 2010 when Lin was still a college senior hanging out at Bartley’s burgers in Harvard Square.

IIRC, there was a certain sharp-tongued poster with a kanji-love avatar who gave him a fair amount o’ crap for his “silly public crystal ball gazing”… ;-O

Heck, I give PMC huge props for not entering this thread to give himself huge props and give that kanji-love poster a big what for!

I don’t know if 2 good NBA games proves that Jeremy Lin is the next Steve Nash, a two time NBA MVP and future HOF member. When Jeremy Lin makes his first all-star team then we can have the conversation.

Pippen - February 7, 2012 reply

Isnt Bartleys burgers that bar in the square that will give you beers on the house if you can bring in a beer can that they donot already have in the backbar?

I am not mad Lin is doing well, I am happy for him

I am just sort of miffed at the FO for giving up so much for nothing. Its not that Reggie Williams, Jeremy Lin or Charlie Bell would be doing well on the Warriors, its that we wasted a golden opportunity with our amnesty and we let go talented players that are now on teams that compete with us.

brutusbrutus - February 7, 2012 reply

Add Morrow and Belinelli to the list. Oh well, still all role players.

Thank god Lin isn't here anymore

the blatant racialhomerism is sickening, and it would have been much worse.

placid - February 7, 2012 reply

Not impressed by your prose....wish there was an un-rec'd button option.

blatant racialhomerism

Ultimately, I wish Lin well, but understand the Warriors fans who are so upset about this.

Let’s be really clear.

Whether or not letting Lin go was wise or not depends on who Charles Jenkins turns out to be. Right now, it looks like Lin is better than Jenkins but it’s really early to make that kind of call one way or the other. Jenkins is a year younger and looks better as a rookie than Lin did.

Furthermore, while I know everybody looks at PPG and says, “Oh, that’s what matters” if you actually look at the plays you see that what’s going on is that Lin is running the P&R very well. Some of that has to be, however, the rollers he’s playing with. On some of the plays you can see that the defense is really focused on the roller, and is giving Lin an easy route to the basket. (That’s not going to happen on the dubs). On others, Lin is doing a good job making difficult passes to great finishers – eg, if you look at the highlights in the fanshot you’ll see a really nice soft pass to Tyson Chandler for a dunk, but without a Chandler-like finisher on the team there’s no bucket there.

Not trying to diminish him, and I feel the Warriors failures to be even a half-decent P&R team is the most frustrating thing about us right now. Lin is playing very well. But he’s also playing well in a functional team offense that is very well geared towards his strengths.

Ronaldinho - February 7, 2012 reply

Well stated. Only exception I have is we really under-evaluated lin's capabilities if we replace it with a wait-and-see on Jenkins.

I like Jenkisn. I think he has potential at PG. Lin is showing that given the opportunity, he can peform. Of course, it is a small sample. One ah-sugar will not wipe it out; not yet, anyeway.

Part of the reason why Knicks fans are crazy about Lin right now

is that with the better finishers on their team, the Knicks guards haven’t been able to execute the P&R offense until Lin was placed in the rotation… last week. Lin excelled in the P&R coming out of college accroding to scouting reports. The Dubs just didn’t run it last year, even though DLee made his living in NY doing P&R.
Utilizing players to their strengths…. that’s what coaching is all about.

RumTMC - February 7, 2012 reply

What a beautifully valid basketball comment. based on obvious basketball insight. No need for stats. Thank you.

But he’s also playing well in a functional team offense that is very well geared towards his strengths.

It was totally dysfunctional until Lin started playing.

He knows how to play the point, apparently and is pretty good at it.

Naticus - February 7, 2012 reply

Well…at least if he keeps playing like that….

with the better finishers on their team, the Knicks guards haven’t been able to execute the P&R offense until Lin was placed in the rotation

why would better finishers affect the guards P&R abilities?