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Kings: Sactown Royalty
Recap: Kings 114, Warriors 106: Sacramento's Inside Game Outlasts Golden State's Perimeter Barrage
Postgame: Kings vs. Warriors: Post-Game Thread
Game thread 2: Kings vs. Warriors: Open Game Thread II
Game thread 1: Kings vs. Warriors: Open Game Thread I
Preview: Kings vs. Warriors: CAN'T DETOUR
Associated Press: Thornton, Evans lead Kings over Warriors in OT | Photo Gallery
Sports Network: Kings down Warriors in OT
Matt Steinmetz: Kings hold court at home with OT win over Warriors
Marcus Thompson II: Golden State Warriors rally to force OT but fall to Sacramento Kings
Rusty Simmons: Warriors lose to Kings 114-106 in overtime
- Previews of the game.
Matt Steinmetz: Warriors-Kings: What to watch for
Fri Feb 3: Practice interviews before leaving for Sacramento.
- On Friday afternoon, Joe Lacob dropped by KNBR for about 45 mins to talk Warriors.
10:43 min: Joe Lacob with Ralph and Tom on KNBR, Fri Feb 3, part 1
14:41 min: Joe Lacob with Ralph and Tom on KNBR, Fri Feb 3, part 2
14:41 min: Joe Lacob with Ralph and Tom on KNBR, Fri Feb 3, part 3
- No postgame news found.
Mark Jackson in the hallway.
CSN highlights, recap.
Recap and highlights from nba.com's game page:
Flying Assist
Assist From the Knees
Huge Follow Slam
Steal and Score
Warriors vs. Kings
Audio
5:38 min: Mark Jackson Postgame - 2/4
3:53 min: Nate Robinson Postgame - 2/4
4:00 min: Stephen Curry Postgame - 2/4
1:33 min: David Lee Postgame - 2/4
Mark Jackson
On Tonight's Game:
"We got man-handled on the boards. Their four and five positions dominated us on the glass. We didn't step up to the challenge. At times it's individual, and other times it's collective. It's a mentality, a mindset. We didn't put forth the effort. They came out of the locker room (at the half) and scored 34 points in the third quarter. They out-worked us. We are going to have to look in the mirror individually and collectively and own up to the lack of effort. At the end of the day they out-worked us. Their starters out-scored us 104 to 63. You can sugarcoat it all you want, but that's bad basketball. We turned the ball over again and again. We gave up second-chance points and other opportunities. The things that you are not supposed to do on the road, we found a way to do it. That's why we are leaving here with a loss."
On The Play Of His Reserves:
"Our bench played incredible. It was outstanding. I look forward to the day where I'm not a coach standing on the side questioning if I need to put my starters back into the game. That's not a good feeling. You are supposed to have guys you can rely on that can pick it up when needed. Our bench just played at a different level. Nate (Robinson) was not ready to come back in (after sustaining an injury), and I got caught up in the moment and put him back in. Obviously he wasn't going to be loose, and clearly wasn't himself when he came back in. That's on me. Nate said he was ready when he came back and he wasn't."
On Being Out-Rebounded:
"Jason Kidd (Dallas Mavericks guard) is one of the all time great rebounders in this league. It's a mindset. I'm not going to hang it on my power forwards and centers, although a chunk of the rebounds go to them. We have to be of the mindset that five guys, in order to close out a defensive possession, have to go out and secure the basketball. We are not doing that, and we are paying the price. It saps your energy when you give up second-chance opportunities and you have to do it all over again."
David Lee
On Tonight's Game:
"We're a team. Second unit came in and did a great job of getting inside in the fourth quarter. They made plays in overtime to beat us. As a team it's discouraging we lost again."
On The Third Quarter:
"They played well. We came out. We took care of the glass in the third quarter better than we had in the first half but Marcus Thornton hit some shots. He's the one that got hot and primarily got us there. Our turnovers once again led the way in fastbreak points."
Nate Robinson
On Tonight's Game:
"We played hard for the most part. It's just that they're a great offensive rebounding team and they just get after it. They don't run a lot of sets and it's not to perfection but one thing take my hat off to the Sacramento Kings is they just play hard. They don't care what happens. They just play hard and challenged us and we accepted the challenge. They kind of wanted it a little more than us."
On The Bench's Play:
"We just play hard. Period. Sometimes our first unit is not always going to bring us energy. That's our job. That's why we come off the bench. It's to bring the team energy and build it up for the guys, the starting five. I think our bench just buys into it. We do a great job of playing the supporting role. Our starters have been playing great and as the bench our job is to bring energy."
(During the bus ride up to Sacramento yesterday)
nate_robinson: On my way to sac check my boy bRush out #wowzers http://t.co/7sLTZTf4
KCsFinest4: I kno not to fall asleep around my teammates anymore
KCsFinest4: Damn Nate got me too good
nate_robinson: Sleep n good huh y'all ? http://t.co/lYQDvNNR
- No interesting notes to add tonight.
- Super Bowl Sunday, and then we're back home to host the exact same Thunder we just faced last Friday.
| Day | Date | Time | Opponent | TV | Radio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tue | Feb 07 | 7:30pm | Thunder | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Thu | Feb 09 | 6:00pm | @Nuggets | CSNBayHD | KTCT 1050 |
| Sun | Feb 12 | 6:00pm | Rockets | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Mon | Feb 13 | 7:30pm | Suns | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Wed | Feb 15 | 7:00pm | Trail Blazers | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
Can they get this kid into the 3 pt shooting contest already???
Anthony Morrow's 42 points, yesterday.
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Didn't someone on the thread say
if the Dubs lost this game he/she would join the tank?
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
yup
Brownie13 - February 4, 2012
Didn't someone on the thread say
where’s that guy who said there was zero chance the Dubs could lose this game? He should be banned for a year for bringing down the neighborhood .
Skeptic con Urquell - February 4, 2012
"zero chance" of a Dubs loss
No credibility…there’s always a chance
Duby Dub Dubs - February 5, 2012 via mobile
How about this trade to help the tank get rolling?
First, you have to believe there is a trade for the Warriors with New Orleans somewhere and they get a first round pick out of it.
It would have to be two separate deals…
First, the W’s trade David Lee for 7-footer Chris Kaman and the TWolves #1 pick.
Second, the W’s trade Monta Ellis for Gervis Vasquez and Carl Landry (expiring).
NOH
PG – Jack
SG – Monta Ellis
SF – Aminu
C – Okafor
PF – David Lee
Warriors
PG – Gervis Vasquez
SG – Curry
SF – Wright
C – Chris Kaman, AB
PF – Udoh, Carl Landry
callahan - February 5, 2012
Also, would like to get Eric Gordon. Curry and Ellis for Gordon and Vasquez? Curry has some roots with the Hornets.
Warriors
PG – Vasquez
SG – Eric Gordon
C – Kaman, AB
SF – Wright
PF – Udoh, Landry
callahan - February 5, 2012
I guess we can add Evans to the list of Warriors killers
plus Cousins for killing us on the boards
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
well, at least Udoh get to pissed Cousins off
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 4, 2012
Any bonafide PG-led backcourt is going to be a warrior killer. I am ending my self-deception.
Their starting backcourt ate our starting backcourt’s lunch. Second time. Let’s face it, Curry and Monta are not Point Guards. I can almost feel Major Jackson’s frustration, knowing that Curry is not going to make it as a PG. Bonafide PGs, good guards, do not turn the ball over 10 times in 20 minutes. Both, Curry and Monta are shooting guards. The turnovers come when they try to become distributors. Forget it!
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
Curry looked like he may almost be as good as Tyreke in his rookie year
I don’t see a ton of Warriors games, but what happened? He hasn’t looked good at all in the 3 or four games ive seen this year. Is it all injuries?
KingsFanInPortland - February 5, 2012
i dont know what you're talking about, but curry has been better than tyreke since they came into the league
bigkino217 - February 5, 2012
No, he certainly hasn't. Maybe last year due to Evans injury
But not their rookie years, and certainly not this year. I’m not trying to dog Curry, I loved his game his rookie year, at least offensively, but he hasn’t been nearly the same player since then. I was just wondering if it is all due to the ankles or if his game has just fallen off
KingsFanInPortland - February 5, 2012
tyreke is the definition of a low efficiency chucker
he’s even worse than monta
bigkino217 - February 5, 2012
as far as stats go,
curry was just as good, if not better his sophomore season than his rookie season. Evans has a lot of talent, but bigkino said, he really is a chucker
ekpeudoh20 - February 5, 2012
Something interesting...
For all their horrendous bricking early on in the season, Dorell and Klay are now at .551 and .529 TS% respectively. Our shooters are coming along again!
WYK - February 4, 2012
Yep
We have a glut of shooters. We need to trade at least one shooter to fill a position of need (defense).
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
Which wouldn’t be an issue if we had drafted Kawhi… *sigh
WYK - February 4, 2012
I know
I don’t care how good Klay is, unless he turns into a Hall of Fame player like Ray Allen and makes shots with guys in his face he is not the player we should have drafted.
Still, he is a Warrior now, and I hope he becomes a good player
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
You guys saw the defense Klay played tonight, right?
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
yes, impressed
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
By the way, I can also tell you that Klay was the guy the Spurs wanted as well.
They wanted to trade up and take him. When their trading partner made a trade with someone else, they weren’t able to do it. I think that’s a decent sign of the type of player Klay is and will become.
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
My problem is not that he's not a good player
My problem is that HE DOES NOT FILL A NEED. He is a shooter on a team with shooters. Now we must trade a shooter because we have too many and no PG or C.
doubleteapot - February 5, 2012
Can't fill needs on a team that isn't already making the playoffs.
I don’t know that Klay was the best player available, but if he becomes that, he was the right pick.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
I have to disagree
Look at the Timberwolves. Not a playoff team, but they drafted Derrick Williams, who is now stuck on the bench behind Kevin Love. He will never play as long as Love is there. If you don’t fill a need you are wasting a pick. The point of making picks is to build towards the playoffs, and overdrafting certain players won’t do that.
doubleteapot - February 5, 2012
He's going to eventually become their starting SF.
And if he doesn’t and is the player he was supposed to be? He has great trade value even if they can’t find minutes for him. They just don’t seem to think he’s ready yet anyway.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
What's the difference between him Kawhi?
They can both play the 2 and 3 offensively while being able to defend 1-3, as Klay did tonight guarding Tyreke, Thronton, and Salmons.
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
Kawhi is a better redbounder and defender
while Klay is better offensively.
We supposedly had plenty of offense and no defense.
But I like Klay. So far I think he was the right pick.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
Kawhi is a better defender
and he is a SF
doubleteapot - February 5, 2012
Klay's played small forward well
and he’s also played defense very well. I just don’t think he gets enough respect for his defense. Not that Kawhi is a bad player either. I think both would have been good picks.
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
Klay plays most of his minutes at SG
He is only a SF when they go small.
Kawhi is a true SF.
doubleteapot - February 5, 2012
Klay and Kawhi are the same height.
Kawhi is 20 pounds heavier and has a few inches more on his reach. Not sure that’s enough to say that there’s a big difference in the positions they play.
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
20 lbs of muscle and a longer reach isnt a big deal?
you know he’s guarded basically everything on the floor except for true big men, he’s guarded plenty of smaller, stretch 4’s as well.
Kawhi is still the better prospect because he has more potential to be the more complete player. Klay may become Kevin Martin on offense but only Jared Dudley on defense. Kawhi has been mocked to develop into Ron Artest(without the Hennessy, fan brawls, rapping, etc)
starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 - February 5, 2012
without the Hennessy, fan brawls, rapping, etc
that don’t sound like much fun.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 5, 2012
Yes, which liquor is Kawhi mocked to imbibe/promote?
ohcleverhansyou - February 5, 2012
Klay is already better Martin on defense
Martin is atrocious on D and Klay is at least average already. He actually tries to play D and will only get better on that end of the court.. Kawhi is a great rebounder and defender, but he has is shortcomings as well. With those giant hands, I don’t see him ever becoming much of a shooter.
Pippen - February 5, 2012
people need to stop making this comparison. you’re comparing a guy who lives at the free throw line to a guy that has taken 4 free throws all season. their games are not similar at all.
bigkino217 - February 5, 2012
Don't understand...
Klay plays good defense, he basically shutdown Evans. DW’s D is pretty good too. Monat is the one playing no D tonight. Curry at least got bunch of steals.
So do you mean trade Monta? Who is not a 3 pts shooter but keep thinking he is himself.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 4, 2012
Steals does not equal defense
dubzfan - February 4, 2012
Monta played good D
He makes a lot of little plays unnoticed. And yes, his sticky hands have helped in recent games. He deflects a lot, especially around the rim.
tafkasam - February 5, 2012
+1
dubzfan - February 6, 2012
Yep.
Klay played great on Evans and Thornton.
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
Evans and Thornton are very stoppable. Nothing against Klay’s D tonight, he played solidly off the bench. But he wasn’t going up against a duo of world beaters considering they are Monta-level chuckers.
WYK - February 5, 2012
No one else was playing the defense that he was on them.
Klay was the stopper tonight. They put him on Thornton when he was hot, then put him on Evans when he was.
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
like he said the way the Kings and Evans and Thornton play it is considered much
that like if Andris dropped 20 on Javale Mcgee. sure Javale’s raw numbers suggest he is good defender but when you watch the game tape you realize he’s a very poor defender outside of chasing blocks
not only have the Kings been poorly coached and dysfunctional since Evans rookie year but Reke has not played the same since the Plantar Fasciitis. Their best plays are ball-stopping and settling for off-balance contested 22 footers, and Klay is not the first person to benefit from their passive-aggressive offensive approach. sure you’ll get a drive here and there but Reke hasnt crashed the lane like Rose/Parker since his rookie year
starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 - February 5, 2012
Evans looks like he is over his injury. He has definitely regained most of his quickness. He looks a lot better than he did last season and has said the injury is no longer an issue. Klay may not be a stopper, but he plays solid D for the most part. He gets beat off the dribble occasionally, but he makes his man work for his shot and nearly always gets a hand in his face. I see a lot of guys taking poor fall away, off-balance jumpers against him. He has the size to alter shots on the perimeter just using his size.
Pippen - February 5, 2012
Actually, after tonight:
Dorell .571
Klay .554
It seems rumors of their deaths have been greatly exaggerated.
On the other hand, we’re now 21 games into the season and Monta is still below the .500 ts “Mendoza line.” That’s wretched.
Sleepy Freud - February 4, 2012
Ugh. Cue usual questions about why Monta is still chucking almost 20 shots a game and/or not passing when clearly better shooters are on the floor. Even NateRob for all of his chucking and ill-advised jumpers seems to find Klay for the open 3 often.
WYK - February 4, 2012
Worth charting, how many end of shot clock shots monta takes without an option. I counted 4 last night, where he got a rotation pass with less than 3 seconds left and no option. He was 1/4.
tafkasam - February 5, 2012
And somehow rest of his game’s improved. Passing, defending etc. I don’t know if i’m the only who notices it, but he deflects ALOT of balls around the rim specifcally. More than in years past. Despite being undersized he can guard his man and make right rotations, something most of our starting 5 still struggle with.
So I am positive about his game, yet he’s shooting so poorly, it’s hard to justify.
Can’t we combine 2010/11 scoring monta, which was passable, with the rest of 2011/12 monta? Where’s professor X?
tafkasam - February 5, 2012
Sounds like my golf game. When I start hitting my driver well, I forget how to putt. When I’m hitting putts, I’m spraying shots into the trees. It’s hard putting it all together at the same time.
Pippen - February 5, 2012
Added
Mark Jackson in the hallway.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
ultimate suck fest
i think imma take a hiatus…then watch the next few games recorded after they’re over. cuz this whole getting my hopes up thing isn’t working right now.
Brownie13 - February 4, 2012
agreed
i think all of my last posts on the other thread were about how heartbroken i feel. it is just devestating. i hate it.
picknpop - February 4, 2012
Rebounding was the problem
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
Beans, Lee and McGuire all tied for the lead
with 5 rebounds apiece
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
I think turnover is a bigger issue
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 4, 2012
I’d give the egde to rebounding. 16 turnover isn’t good, but it isn’t completely horrendous either. OKC averages 16 TO’s a game and they still manage to win; Sacramento had 18 last night. The W’s got absolutely killed on the glass though. They lost the rebounding battle 36 to 55 with the Kings pulling down 20 offensive boards to the W’s 10. The Kings got 10 more shots than the W’s right there. That was the major difference maker.
Pippen - February 5, 2012
Rebounding was definitely a problem. I called it before the game. However the absence of a bonafide PG is definitely a problem!
10 turnovers between Curry and Monta will not cut it.
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
Can't watch David Lee anymore.
We’re so much better with Udoh in it’s not funny.
GovernorStephCurry - February 4, 2012
+1
dubzfan - February 4, 2012
don't get it
Monta sucks big time tonight and DLee hater still think it is DLee’s fault?
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 4, 2012
If i said the same about Monta, i'd get attacked haha.
GovernorStephCurry - February 4, 2012
I can't watch any of the starters.
They’re effort and focus is embarrassing.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
lol one bad game
he’s been our best, most consistent player all year long
steffun4tw - February 5, 2012
He has not.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
Yes, he was Brownie! Definitely the most consistent. As I called it, he had no help, again, inside, from Udoh/Biedrins!
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
Udoh played better
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
No.
Every time he leaves the game, the team does better. It’s sorta like Monta in 2009-10.
GovernorStephCurry - February 5, 2012
The team does better? What, with 2 point contribution, total, from Biedrins/Udoh? Come off it, Gov!
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
defense
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
Talk about all the defense in the world, 2 points inside is not going to cut it....leaves Lee with a herculean task to establish some offensive threat capability underneath!
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
all the defense in the world holds the opponent to 0
so 2 is just fine when they defend their own man AND their teammates
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
except that 0 is an exaggeration
udoh and biedrins gave up more than 2 points, so dinohealth has a point
ekpeudoh20 - February 5, 2012
yeah
but they played defense on more than one player. on drivers, on cutters, on the guys in the post. they weren’t exactly out-rebounded by him in this game, and they boxed out. they did a better job keeping the kings off the boards than Lee. They had 3 combined assists and 1 turnover. Lee was 1 and 3. But they key is they played both man and help defense. Lee played neither.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
Lacob- "DaviD Lee is a terrific Player!"...
“Vs. guys like Tyrus Thomas and Ryan Anderson!”- TafkaSam
Lacob’s Lee love not only annoys me, but scares me. Such a terrible evaluation of talent. Lee’s ok. But to consider him a building block and untradeable is just downright dumb. That’s without touching on his horrendous contract.
DeMarcus is averaging 13.2 rebounds per 36 v. warriors, and scoring around 17. This is in 6 games (this and last year). I can continue going down the list but basically every opposing PFs numbers inflate v. Lee. What’s worse is, his de-flate unless the guy is soft.
tafkasam - February 5, 2012
In Lacob’s defense, he shouldn’t have to be the main guy evaluating talent. Most owners aren’t the guys making the basketball decisions. Lacob is involved in these decisions, but he is relying on the advice of his FO. More than anything, I think Lacob appreciates Lee’s as a person and his impact in the locker room. He also likes his effort. Riley is the guy that made the trade for Lee and is assuredly giving Lacob a load of BS about how dynamic of a player Lee is, and how lucky they are to have him. After all, bringing Lee to GS was the bold move that Riley is hanging his hat on and helped him save his job. If the Warriors had a better GM, maybe he would have the guts and ability to convince Lacob that Lee is not a great fit for this team. As long as Riley is in charge, that will never happen.
Pippen - February 5, 2012
You think Riley is convincing Lacob Lee is a good player? You do realize that Joe’s son Kirk is a bigger stat geek than the biggest stat geek on this board and Kirk also believes Lee is a good player. Riley cant convince anybody nothing they cant see with their own eyes. Riley has a job right now because of the Lee trade.
J-RIDAH - February 5, 2012
You do realize that Joe’s son Kirk is a bigger stat geek than the biggest stat geek on this board
Being into stats don’t mean you understand basketball or anything else other than stats for that matter. Sometimes you gotta go with what your eyes tell you about the reason the stats are what they are. Now management might understand this but have their own agenda as far as what they call success? Maybe they got a program that rates players by their attractiveness to the demographic that puts the most money into the warriors coffers and creates a team based on that instead of game fundamentals ?
Skeptic con Urquell - February 5, 2012
Added
CSN highlights, recap. warriors.com audio.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
I think coming in cold affects Curry more than other players
because of his ankle
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
agree but
he sounded very angry (not outright but you could pick up on it) in his post game interview that he was taken out of the game, which is also how he sounded the other night when coach kept the bench in. makes me wonder if he does not see his own faults? i think i would rather have someone like klay who gets overly down on himself but knows exactly what he did in error than someone who seems like he thinks he is just that great. don’t know if others agree, but something in curry has recently changed.
picknpop - February 4, 2012
I agree.
J-RIDAH - February 4, 2012
Yup in the same boat...
Disclaimer: I don’t agree with his stance, I’m just trying to shed some light on it.
I think this might stem back from Smart constantly holding him on a shorter leash than any other player (especially Monta). Add in the fact that Curry’s been frustrated with his ankle not responding the way he wants to, his very on off shooting as of late(something he’s depended on), and I think Mark Jackson’s sometimes rotations and thats why hes annoyed.
In my opinion, if I’m a coach, I keep in the players that are playing well. Tonight that was the bench. I can understand putting Lee in shortly for that rebound, but putting in an Ellis and Curry who hadn’t played at all in the 4th quarter and I’m not surprised. Basketball is a game of rhythm, and both were cold in OT. Why put them both back in?
This starting 5 doesn’t play with very much energy I have to say. It’s starting to get hard to watch. I enjoy the bench play more. I hope Curry isn’t getting arrogant and believing he is “the man” on this team…
Nith - February 5, 2012
yeah, i get the feeling
he is beginning to think he is “The man” on the team, which is not my original opinion of what he thought. He is beginning to let things slip in his body language and in his post game interviews where to me, he sounds, at times, like a little kid that can’t handle it when mom and dad give the attention to the other sibling. I can only imagine what he says behind closed doors and if his wife is angry with living here and then stress from the baby, it will only fuel his hostility.
Good insight on the Smart from the past with the short leash. Maybe he feels under appreciated.
picknpop - February 5, 2012
Yeah, there's definitely some kind of anger/bitterness/frustation in Curry's interview.
And I think your question of “not seeing his own faults” is plausible, especially when you factor in Keith Smart repeatedly benching him for Acie Law last season.
The part I didn’t like about Curry’s interview tonight was how he sounded like he blamed his missed shots on being benched for a long period. What I would have liked to hear him say is that he’ll take responsibility for missing those shots and that he’ll find a way to stay ready to hit those shots next time in case MJ decides to ride the bench again.
And besides, MJ has said he won’t take someone out for missing a shot. I know he was talking about Klay when he said that, but I get the feeling it’s the same rule for everyone. Which would mean that Curry got yanked in OT for a different reason. I’ll watch the OT again and see if I can spot it.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
Damn I missed it
anywhere I could watch it?
doubleteapot - February 5, 2012
it's in the warriors.com audio section
IQofaWarrior - February 5, 2012
Found it
He does sound depressed
doubleteapot - February 5, 2012
Well said
I think it’s worth noting, MJ and staff are a lot more cautious with steph than Smart because of the 7 sprains in about 1 month. His leash is naturally shorter.
Second off, I do agree, Steph makes a lot of dumb errors (well, the warriors in general can be summed up by the term ‘dumb error’ whether it be in play on court of front office judgement, but I digress). Making more wrong rotations or passes, subtle stuff. It’s all ok, because he’s youngest starter and he’s still growing, but it’s natural a coach pulls him to teach him.
We need Steph to play better. This team is basically Steph Curry. when he plays well, is aggressive and smart, we win. When he doesn’t we struggle. No other player has that kind of impact, signifying his importance. WE’ve seen Lee and Monta go off numerous times and we lose. When Steph goes off, everyone improves and we win.
tafkasam - February 5, 2012
Look, IQ, Curry is playing out of position. Let's face it, it is becoming increasingly obvious to the most casual obserber that he is not PG! He is, and was a great SG! Catch, shoot. Catch, create own shot, shoot. He is not a natural distributor!
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
Added
Anthony Morrow’s 42 points.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
If you're gonna do that then add Lin tearing up the Nets
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
Hah, I dunno
I only did the Morrow video because he’s known for shooting 3s, and we found him, and it’s so fun to watch him shoot.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
It hasn’t even been a day yet… give those highlight reel guys some time to work their magic at least!
WYK - February 4, 2012
I shed a tear for every 3-pointer he dropped that night. Then, when he drained a clutch 4-point play, I almost bawled.
WYK - February 4, 2012
that Henry dude from CSN...
kinda looks like Obama? just me?
adoboguy - February 4, 2012
lol yeah now that you mention it...
picknpop - February 4, 2012
Ouch
a tough loss for you guys.
yoshifan - February 4, 2012
IQ… when you going to start posting some therapy content? its about that time of the year.. haha
adoboguy - February 4, 2012
haha
You know, I only add Therapy stuff when we get disgustingly blown out. To the Warriors credit, they’ve only been disgustingly blown out twice: vs Sixers, and @Bobcats. I guess you can call the Morrow video a therapy session if you want.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
Added
warriors.com quotes.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
Say
How did the game go for you guys and for them?
yoshifan - February 4, 2012
It was a lot more energetic than the last time we faced them
But the Warriors mindless turnovers hurt us, and the Kings started pulling away in the 3rd. Like the last game, the Kings have no answer for our active, aggressive, cohesive, defensive, bench unit, and they came back from an 11pt deficit, including a Klay game tying 3 to force OT. And that’s all I care to remember.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
Darn those turnovers...
As for us, we played well against the Jazz, but fatigue started to drag the Lakers down, and they were unable to hit any shots in the 4th quarter. The no-calls on the officials also started to follow which enraged our head coach. He was ejected from the game because of this, and that’s when everything started to fall apart.
I got over the loss pretty easily, though. It’s never easy to win a game in Utah, especially if you’re trying to sweep the Jazz in their home court.
yoshifan - February 4, 2012
bad for us
good for them
when you have to rely on your bench to get back into a game, only to watch your starters throw it away again, it never goes well
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
Added
nba.com highlights, recap.
What’s left: Rusty, Lauridsen recap. gumby highlights.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
And that’s all I care to remember.
you should remember full size basketball versus midgets and how it affects rebounding.
that’s why I wanted to trade up and draft Cousins when everyone was down on him..
Skeptic con Urquell - February 4, 2012
I think non of us are down on Cousins.
We all want Cousins, but Cousins doesn’t even want to come to Warriors.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 4, 2012
Yes, I think it is that "no club" thingy.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 4, 2012
We all want Cousins
I wasn’t referring to us Dubs fans, I was talking about all the so called draft experts who said Cousins was an over rated head case and ignoring his physical size and skills.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 4, 2012
I was at the game tonight
and I was pretty disappointed with Cousins. He is becoming a great player, but his attitude is horrible. He complained about every call and cried when he thought he was fouled and didn’t get the call. Not really that big of a deal, but he was just so animated about it that that it made him look like a child. On two occasions he fell down near the basket, and sat there for a minute while his team ran back to play defense.
JSnyd23 - February 4, 2012
is that when jb or fitz
scolded him and said no player should ever sit down like that or something to that effect? sounds like it.
picknpop - February 4, 2012
Dominic Mcguire deserves a extension. Klay is gonna be special if he keeps that defense up with that shot and his passing.
J-RIDAH - February 4, 2012
Add a drive to that and I totally agree. It seems like he can make those 3s easy but a point blank layup is difficult...
Nith - February 5, 2012
I'm liking MacGuire at PF
Fun fact-
Our best defensive unit- Nate, Klay, Rush, Macguire, Udoh.
Listed #2 here-
http://www.82games.com/1112/1112GSW2.HTM
Allowing 0.85 points per posession. Pretty damn impressive (sample size). This is a big reason MJ puts unit in as a whole. Numbers show it’s highly effective. Almost as effective as chicago’s second 5
tafkasam - February 5, 2012
Ellis-Rush-Wright-McGuire-Lee actually has a .76 PPP, but that is in just 17.3 minutes. McGuire and Rush are the two common components though. I really like McGuire’s D, but he give us virtually nothing on offense. It’s probably worth the trade-off in certain line-ups. It’s nice to have some defensive options off the bench, something they’ve been lacking in the past.
Pippen - February 5, 2012
Well, that sucked
Suprised we forced overtime, but still managed to expect us to take the win.
Whatever. I find it increasingly hard to care about wins and losses. Decent game, but boy all those stupid turnovers and lazy plays…
Duby Dub Dubs - February 4, 2012 via mobile
Looks like Keith Smart wasn't that bad of a coach
at least as far as Biedrins is concerned. Both he and MJ start the game off with Biedrins in the post as the first play.
IQofaWarrior - February 4, 2012
I don't think that reflects positively....
…. for either coach.
warriorsablaze - February 4, 2012
Mark Jackson:
And their starters only played about twice as many minutes too…
Funny the spin MJ puts on that as if he had nothing to do with it.
cybermaldonado - February 4, 2012
His starters didn’t show up tonight besides Dorell. MJ had nothing to do with that.
J-RIDAH - February 4, 2012
completely agree
there is a strange, hollow look in the eyes of some of the starters, particularly steph and monta. i don’t like it and i can’t help but notice it. i don’t think MJ spinned this one. He was right on. The starters did not show up except for dwright. maybe they need a team psychologist in there. it seems to be all about something deeper than actually playing bball. not everyone, but some of them. are their egos just crushed to a point of no return? is something going on behind closed doors? this just does not seem like normal “oh well we lost the game” type of thing.
picknpop - February 4, 2012
partially true...
…. but you see what happens when you sit them too long and bring them in cold. Dorell should have gotten some time in the 4th and OT…. he was ballin’ tonight, and he’s at least not a liability on defense like the backcourt+Lee.
Sometimes I think Dorell becomes guilty by association in MJ’s mind when the big 3 are sucking and Beans is always sucking.
warriorsablaze - February 4, 2012
Extrapolate Curry’ 9 assists he got in about 27 minutes (not counting the overtime), out to 49 minutes that Tyreke played and Curry had 16 assists.
Dorrell makes it to 35 points if he plays Salmons minutes.
etc..
cybermaldonado - February 4, 2012
He also ends up with 7 or 8 turnovers
and 20 missed shots :/
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
I said I wasn’t counting overtime when he went in cold. He didn’t shoot well all game, but he didn’t shoot much during regulation either- he focused on passing the ball. If his teammates made some shots he would have a lot more assists.
cybermaldonado - February 5, 2012
turnovers still stand
and he was already shooting poorly before overtime
and really? you’re talking about the rest of the team missing shots and blowing his assists?
what about the play where they sort of walked up the court on a half break, he tosses the ball to Dorell with no defender within miles and Dorell sinks a long 3 to give Curry the assist. Or how about Nate, Klay, and Rush making their shots? Get the fuck outta here whining about Steph’s missed assists. Dorell was making everything he touched for a while, and outside of the “Big 3” the team shot better than 50% from the field and from 3.
So what about their missed assists on his 10 missed shots? He missed a fast break layup too. Are you seriously trying to hold the role players accountable? I understand that you like Steph, and he’s taking a lot of heat for tonight’s game, but he deserves it. Lee deserves, and Monta deserves it. They were just plain bad. Don’t fucking try to talk about Steph’s missed assists off some supposed great passes that would have lead to assists when the rest of the team did their job and made their shots.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
you are repeating what I just said and swearing at me
take a deep breath…
Thank You. I am glad we agree that Dorrell had such a good game because Curry was giving him good feeds.
cybermaldonado - February 5, 2012
REALLY?
Dorell was hitting shots no matter how he got the ball. But yes, let’s credit Curry for the way he played tonight. And you are damn right I’m swearing. You’re trying to scapegoat the role players who played well above their heads for the sake of Curry. HE DID NOT PLAY WELL. It’s not the end of the world. Stop trying to blame guys that did their job. So you have a problem with my swearing, I have a problem with you trying to unfairly discredit the players on my team that did their job. That played well. That brought us back. That kept us in the game. That out-played Steph. What kind of Warrior fan tries to take what they did and credit it to one of the guys who was the reason we lost?
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
Who are these role players you keep referring to?
You act like I said Curry was passing the ball to the bench and they were missing shots. If you were even slightly rational you would realize the bench players barely missed any shots – so how could I blame them for missing shots?
Possibly because Curry wasn’t passing the ball to the bench? He was passing the ball to Monta and Lee. Were those the role players you were referring to?
Come. Come. I imply Monta and Lee missed some shots while you spend every thread trashing Curry.. Which of us were you really talking about when you said that?
cybermaldonado - February 5, 2012
DoreLL
I spend very little time trashing Curry. I’ve spent plenty of time trashing all 3 of our supposed stars tonight.
And u think he didn’t play any of his minutes with the bench? That’s just not true. As far as Lee, most of his ineptitude came off his own damn terrible shot-creation. And truly, one of the problems with this offense is that Curry creates very few assists for Monta or vice versa. Even though it seems like it should work, it doesn’t. So those two guys didn’t really cost him all that many assists. Besides, neither missed more shots than he did anyway. So should I start complaining about Monta or Lee should have had more assists because Steph was missing? No. Because that’s part of the game. And really it’s not like he was setting people up with great opportunities that they were squandering. Lee got pretty much smushed every time he got near the paint, meaning HE WASN’T OPEN. Monta took a lot of jumpers on the run, meaning HE WASN’T OPEN. So yes, you’re talk about some missed shots from players that did their job, and you’re talking about taking credit away from Dorell for doing what he did tonight. He shot over people, he pump faked into the lane, he got open. He ran the floor.
This right here. YOU TOOK CREDIT FROM DORELL, when you just said that you didn’t. The play I was referring to that you decided to hijack in your own block quote, was a direct product of DORELL running the floor, of DORELL being in the right spot, and DORELL making the shot. When I know 6 and 7 year olds who can make the pass that Steph did to set up that shot, you do NOT get to take the credit away from him and give it to Steph, just because Steph is getting ripped by our fans tonight.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
Their starting backcourt ate our starting backcort's lunch. Second time. Happens when we run into a bonafide PG-led backcourt.
Let’s face it, neither Curry, nor, Monta, are bonafide PGs. It shows by the way they take care of the ball, and their results as distributors. Kemba Walker is an bonafide, instinctive, PG. Jeremy Lin is. Curry and Monta are great players at the shooting guard position.
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
ummm
which one of Sac’s guards is a “bonafide PG?” Cuz Tyreke has and will always be more of a SG, and at times last night was on the court as the SF. Thornton is a scorer. Jimmer is a scorer (don’t think he even played though). Isiah is like Nate, an undersized combo-guard. Salmons is a SF or SG.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
i have to ask
is it normal to play so poorly when you sit out for what they said was a long time? i find that these players say it a lot, that they get cold, but i see other teams that have players who sit out for some stretches and get right back in. i mean, i understand completely the concept of getting cold, but at the same time, should it be that hard to warm back up when you are a world class athlete and the game is on the line?
what i am beginning to think is that some of the starters bought into the hype of the new owners/coach and didn’t realize that it would take time and effort on their part. then, when it does not automatically change, there is just this huge sense of disappointment and failure that is hard to mentally bounce back from? idk.
picknpop - February 4, 2012
most players don't sit for a whole quarter though...
I can see sitting for like 6-7 minutes between the end of one quarter and the start of another but waiting for 12 whole minutes (and consider Curry’s ankle still isn’t 100%) and I’m not surprised. Curry also got hit pretty badly that game so it probably carried over a bit.
I wouldn’t blame the whole thing on just sitting for too long, but it does have an affect. Thats why coaches call timeouts when the team is on a run: Basketball is a game of rhythm, and if you are in rhythm it’s almost impossible to stop. But it takes time to get in rhythm.
I think that last part is possible. This team seems defeated… I think everyone was expecting playoffs, and instead they keep losing these relatively close games to bad teams.
Nith - February 5, 2012
Curry MUST improve on that 2:1 assist to turnover ratio if he wants to be a PG in this league
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
Curry, a great player, unfortunately, will never be a good PG! Curry is a great shooting guard, though he has made an admirable effort to become something which is not natural to him!
It really shows in the turnovers, especially when h runs up against bonafide, PG-led backcourts!
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
I thought Biedrins played excellent post D on Cousins. Disclaimer, I don’t know if the stats show otherwise.
I felt bench gave the team to win but something wa off with Mark Jackson’s persistence to leave them in so long and then in OT all of a sudden put in both Steph and Monta. I understand Nate was hurt but I didn’t agree with going with the small backcourt at that time.
Obviously there were other glaring reasons why they lost but if we are I just look at the final minutes of the 4th, I think Mark Jackson could have introduced certain starters back into the mix. I don’t like the mentality of letting the bench win or lose because they “deserved” it.
The bench should help you get the opportunity to win and you go to your best players to close it out. The previous win against the Kings was a nice novelty but I don’t think it is a sustainable strategy.
Doctor Kajita - February 4, 2012 via mobile
MJ threw the game away. Can't just get pissed every game and bench the starters
Steimetz:
Sitting Curry for a quarter knowing that he wasn’t going to play again (and on a gimpy ankle that probably stiffened up on him) and then suddenly throwing him out there, isn’t putting your players in a position to succed. Curry looked bad at the end of the game , but Jackson helped him look bad – that’s not what a coaches job is.
cybermaldonado - February 4, 2012
In fairness to Jackson i just read this part too:
Steinmetz:
cybermaldonado - February 5, 2012
Mm at least he acknowledges it
It wasn’t fair. Curry was set up to fail, and now he’s going to get the heat for it unfortunately. I dare anyone on a recently twisted ankle to sit for 12 in game minutes (which is like 30 real time minutes) to come back in for 3 minutes and be expected to sink all your shots (even your first few).
Nith - February 5, 2012
thought Biedrins played excellent post D on Cousins. Disclaimer, I don’t know if the stats show otherwise.
the impressive thing about Cousins was he played the last part of the 4th and OT with five fouls and stayed under control.
I didn’t see the first part of the game as it started early so by the time I tuned in Dre was done.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 5, 2012
Greg Monroe is a legit post prescence
plus he might actually learn to play defense in the future. If he can be solid, with his offense it would be crazy. The funny thing is he’s only 22 or something like that. Kid has a bright future.
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
I thought it was interesting how
On the free throw, the Warriors didn’t put in Biedrins to get the rebound in case of a miss. Of course the Kings get the rebound, Warriors have to foul. Klay saved their butts but you have to wonder about the coaching decisions.
doubleteapot - February 4, 2012
Starting OT lineup for me would have been: Monta, Klay, McGuire, Lee, Udoh.
Doctor Kajita - February 5, 2012 via mobile
I think that would have been the right call with Nate unavailable.
Though I’d have been tempted to leave McGuire at the 4 and put Dorell or Wright at the 3
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
I can’t disagree with that. David was not sharp tonight
Doctor Kajita - February 5, 2012 via mobile
Also, reason in comfortable with Monta despite his crappy play is he seems to be able to “turn it on” at any given moment. Now he doesn’t do this often enough for my undaunted and continued praise as some people here give him, but in an isolated segment of a tight game, why not?
Doctor Kajita - February 5, 2012 via mobile
Please forgive my auto correct on my iphone
Doctor Kajita - February 5, 2012 via mobile
Agreed.
needed some kind of play-maker at point guard, and with Nate out and Steph…whatever he was, Monta or extremely cold CJ are the only options
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
Aside overtime I thought the starters played okay
I mean other than the fact that they couldn’t rebound to save their freaking lives. If they had of rebounded their share the game never would have been close.
I don’t think I’ve ever watched a game where I was so excited just to see my team grab 1 rebound.
cybermaldonado - February 5, 2012
You must have not seen a starting backcourt commit 10 turnovers....
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
Frustrating loss...
IMO, better defensive rebounding in the first half and we blow them out. Offensive rebounds are momentum changers. They deflate the defensive teams energy and kept Sacramento close in the first half.
dont_stop_believin' - February 5, 2012
+1
David Lee was the one who looked really sluggish to me tonight. He seemed to not even try on a few defensive plays and rebounds and also made a couple bad decisions.
cybermaldonado - February 5, 2012
Added
Rusty recap.
IQofaWarrior - February 5, 2012
This is scary
Jackson:
cybermaldonado - February 5, 2012
Naw, the quote is out of context
He’s basically saying that the bench shouldn’t be playing better than the starters.
IQofaWarrior - February 5, 2012
He’s basically saying that the bench shouldn’t be playing better than the starters.
Don’t think he understands that the bench should play better than the starters for short periods of time but not be left in after that. That’s the problem with hiring a rookie coach, they gotta re-invent the wheel each time .
Skeptic con Urquell - February 5, 2012
Well I mean that is true in most cases
But in this game it was really obvious that the bench was playing much better than the starters… so what do you do? The bench goes on a great run and doesn’t show signs of slowing down… gotta leave them in.
Nith - February 5, 2012
yup
Xtremelink - February 5, 2012 via mobile
You know what
We might be the D-League of coaches too. If we let go MJ and went to other team. He might be a better coach by then. Like all these players we let go. Lin, Morrow, BWright, Beninelli ect…
mykelala01 - February 5, 2012 via mobile
that is what i was sort of thinking
maybe this is just growing pains for everyone and this is just the way it has to be until things gel. There are moments of gelling, but then it slips away. i think that MJ oversold himself, though, and is maybe seeing that. it is easy to coach a team from the comfort of your commentators chair than it is to be there day in and day out. maybe he bit off more than he can chew and needs times to learn more. unfortunately, his learning curve is at the expense of the team.
picknpop - February 5, 2012
maybe he bit off more than he can chew
after reading the article about his ministry and personal life problems I don’t have any doubt about his ability to persevere so I think he’ll come thru in the end if this is what he really wants to do although I’m not sure why he would want to coach with all the other things he has on his plate.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 5, 2012
oh, i didn't see that article. i will have to check that out.
picknpop - February 5, 2012
look for
“Mark Jackson’s Journey to the Warriors Shaped by Faith”. over on the right side list of topics. Very interesting and sad story.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 5, 2012
Bench the starters...
start the bench. You don’t gotta leave it that way, but for one game…why not?
I’m going to end up repeating this over and over, but they lack effort and they lack focus. Plus, they can’t play defense to save their lives. Hold them accountable.
Brownie13 - February 5, 2012
I'm going to ask this question again:
Why do people still seem to think Klay doesn’t play good defense? Watch him compared to other rookies. His defense was as money as his shot tonight.
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
It's mostly because...
Those same people have talked so much crap about Klay all the way back to draft day that they have to still be negative in order to not look like fools.
Also, a lot of those same people who were mad about drafting Udoh “for need” were mad that we didn’t draft Leonard because he “fills a need”
Don’t know if Klay becomes a star, but i think he’ll become a solid starter for sure.
warriorsablaze - February 5, 2012
Hey, I've come around on Klay
He’s a good player.
doubleteapot - February 5, 2012
That's fair.
I’m just a little defensive of him probably. He is my guy. Go Cougs!
crimson and gray - February 5, 2012
Klay was excellent on D tonight and has been all year. Sure he makes mistakes but not like Monta or Curry. He knows how to move his feet and use his length. Impressive.
Doctor Kajita - February 5, 2012 via mobile
Why do people still seem to think Klay doesn’t play good defense?His defense was as money as his shot tonight.
You hit it right there, one night does not a season or career make. If he plays good defense for a couple of years he’ll gain the rep. Rookies as a whole don’t play good defense so it’s not about klay.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 5, 2012
for everyone wanting a tanked season dont worry its happening right before our eyes
just let the starters do what they do for the rest of the season. except Dorell he is starting to get too good to be a starter. might need to give Beans more minutes to offset his increased production
starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 - February 5, 2012
There aren't too many issues with our starters...
and it’s been the same thing for years now. Rebounding. Look no further.
dont_stop_believin' - February 5, 2012
That and turnovers
doubleteapot - February 5, 2012
I’ll give you that, but I feel like we more consistently rebound poorly than commit turnovers.
dont_stop_believin' - February 5, 2012
Turnovers, and, a bonafide PG, in addition tothe inside game (rebounding)
dinohealth - February 5, 2012
I’ll give you that, but I feel like we more consistently rebound poorly than commit turnovers.
dont_stop_believin' - February 5, 2012
I think gumby is out on a hot date with a Warrior Girl
so I’m done for the night.
IQofaWarrior - February 5, 2012
Coffee goes down better with Warriors links, THANKS.
Critical Roach - February 5, 2012
Where was Dorell Wright in the 4th and OT?
He was killin it all game
Potential - February 5, 2012
Sorry folks...
My plan of writing the recap while I watch the UFC didn’t go so well, so it’ll be up some time in the morning. Too… much… sports… must… sleep…
olympicmike - February 5, 2012
Haha
or afternoon…
Wait, is writing the recap while I watch the Super Bowl as bad of a plan as writing it during the UFC? Yeah, probably.
olympicmike - February 5, 2012
I kinda liked the delay
especially with no warriors ball being played in between.
the only time it sucks is when the recap comes out after the subsequent game
Duby Dub Dubs - February 6, 2012
Coach took the words right out of my mouth
Evanz - February 5, 2012
Seems our team has five starters and no finishers.
When the rookie plays the 4th and comes up big on both ends of the court, you know the state of the Warriors. Klay just got it done last night and that was fun to watch. Watching Curry, not pass to him, in OT was just strange.
Udoh, the roof is on fire.
Critical Roach - February 5, 2012
Great effort by our bench once again.
Our starting line up just plays like it doesn’t care sometimes. They seem like they are sleep walking out there.
Newbay - February 5, 2012
We need a drastic change. This is my sugestion:
Ellis and Lee for Maggette and Diaw + first round pick next year. Diaw comes off the books next year and Maggette contract expires in two years.
Link: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
After this trade we would have 21 mil. of cap space next year and two lottery picks. Sounds good to me.
buky - February 5, 2012
I'd do it,
however we know we won’t.
GovernorStephCurry - February 5, 2012
Bobcats would never go for this
they are rebuilding, why would they be giving us a draft pick? And no WAY they take on Lee’s salary
Duby Dub Dubs - February 6, 2012
coaching decisions were the difference
in the third quarter, Thornton sparked a surge that pushed his team in front as Curry was injured. Curry left with Sac holding a six point edge. Jackson inflexibly subs in Robinson, as the designated ‘back up’ to Curry, rather than a bigger wing for defense. [alternatively, more of the second unit could be subbed in and not just Robinson—he’s by far the weakest defender of the bunch, and plays in synch with those wings far better than with Ellis]. Thornton ends up with 17 in the quarter, and his team beginning the fourth with an 11 pt. advantage.
with Salmons taking foul shots, 16 seconds left in the fourth, conventional coaching (Malone probably), puts another rebounder in for the foul shots. Inflexibly, Jackson wants his bench unit to continue, although frequent substitutions in the final minutes in a possession by possession close game are routine. they lose the opportunity to get the ball only down one point with 16 seconds ; Lee does go in to rebound fro Evans’ two free throws, which were both converted to set up the reprieve Thompson provided.
some fans here apparently enjoy speculating about players’ inner psychology when they don’t have a particularly strong game. Jackson saw Sac expose his starting guards’ flaws very recently — they’d predictably be more problematic in their home and with Thornton starting. None of his players are at the elite level and able to excel consistently, so instead of expecting them to be what they are not, it’s his task to anticipate and obviate the problems.
the.monk - February 5, 2012
By any means, move Biedrins, Ellis, and Lee for cap relief, draft picks, youth, or if possible better defense/rebounding at 4/5 spots.
If the team drops, so be it. We keep our draft pick and have money to spend in free agency (not sure how much cap space we can create with the minimum payroll of the new CBA). It might not even be a long rebuild. If we draft well and sign a nice free agent we could be set to grow and tinker.
Curry / Robinson
Thompson / Rush
Wright / McGuire
FA/Draft / Udoh
FA/Draft / Tyler
Same bench. Younger/better starters for the long term.
dont_stop_believin' - February 5, 2012
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