Golden State Of Mind

That sums it up. They barely broke 30% from 3PT range (7-23), and were equally bad in overall shooting.

Against a team that shot better than 50% overall. The Knicks shot about the same from 3PT range, and a horrible 66% from the foul line, leading to their first loss of the Lin era! Lin almost got a double double: 26 pts and 9 turnovers! :-) At one point in time of the game, at just a bit over two minutes to go in the 3rd for both, both teams were down exactly 11 points! I hope Monta is going to be OK. Everyone seems to be playing sub-par, with the exception of David Lee who dogs it day-in, day-out. I am getting a sinking feeling with Curry at the point, and the backcourt, in general. Wright started so well, hit the glass well (I’ve been waiting for that to happen, Lee can’t do it all by himself underneath), and then, just fizzled again.

David Lee […] dogs it day-in, day-out.

I’ve heard Lee criticized for a lot of things, but rarely for dogging it.

lol, thanks for pointing it out. Meant to say a positive "dogging" it as opposed to the negative "dogs" it.

“Dogging "as in staying after it persistent on the trail/hunt, as opposed to “dogs” it as in not working hard.

I voted for Tyler

it will be a joy to see him play somewhere else next season

Evanz - February 17, 2012 reply

lol

Just remember, he is only a pre-rookie.

When i looked at tylers stats so far, it seems he has OK stats except his foul rates are so high

I wonder if given minutes he would be able to reign that in…
Jenkins stats look solid too imo, given that he is still in rookie stage

PIRATEWARRIOR - February 17, 2012 reply

One of the good things for us about Linsanity (I hope)

Is that our team should be a bit more aware about playing our young guys

Duby Dub Dubs - February 18, 2012 via mobile reply

Call the Wizards and ask them what they want for Mcgee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im tired of demanding this.

Mcgee is a great talent but an idiot, not worth for what they'd demand

Asik is a UFA who we can just sign, we could always also do a S/t for Javale who is an RFA

But I cannot stress how bad McGee’s defense is, not cause he cant do it but he’s so dumb right now

dubzfan - February 17, 2012 reply

Yeah, if you wanted a tall, athletic retard

His name is Jeremy Tyler

dandubz - February 17, 2012 reply

We won't get JaVale as a restricted FA

It makes almost no sense to let him walk unless someone offers 15 mil a year, in which case that team is foolish.

I’d trade Monta for McGee.

We need to shake it up. I’d actually hope McGee initially struggles and we end up top 7.

McGee is in a poisonous atmosphere. I believe with positive coaching (I believe in our staff’s ability to get him to be a positive long term) and positive influences (Lee, Curry certainly beat Blatche and the chucker crew) he can be very useful.

what exactly what you expect long term? I think McGee can be a 12-15 ppg, 12 rebound, 3 block, efficient player. I’d trade for that.

tafkasam - February 18, 2012 reply

Ya he can average that

But will he play good enough defense to justify giving him a huge deal which we have to do regardless if we trade or sign or sign and trade for him

dubzfan - February 18, 2012 reply

I truly don't get Steph's turnovers

I can understand some here and there, I really can. But, he is doing more than just a few and they are really mindless, dumb TOs for the most part. I don’t get why it is not clicking for him to stop. He was doing better, it seemed, and now he is right back.

The staff must work on this with him, I would think. I know the team has turnover issues in general, but I feel like he is the main one.

His turnovers and not going to the basket when he is on the fastbreak are hard for me to understand, since they seem like pretty basic basketball moves. Nothing fancy here. Hmmm…..

Yep, we are all puzzled by it. It has been going on too long for our emerging star.

The only thing I can think, is that it is awfully difficult for a guy that is a natural shooting guard (catch and shoot, catch-create and shoot) to convert to an NBA PG. Look at Lin, for example, who had 9 TOs today and is going to the All Star festivities…:-)

You sound confused.

Are you arguing that a high turnover rate is a priori a sign of lack of “true PG” skills? If so, how do you explain Lin’s 5.4 turnovers per 36 minutes?

Gee, professor, did you notice the smiley after the comment?

Sarcasm.

Meh. “Sarcasm” or not, I’m still not convinced you’re clear about what point you were trying to make. Are you saying a high turnover rate is a sign of lack of PG skills or not?

I am saying he is going to the Freshman-Sophomore All Star game,

with a high TO rate. Now, what does that tell you, professor, in the context of the question and the response? Clearly, a high TO rate is an indicator of diminished PG skill sets. Of course, you do not take it as a sole indicator. As you well know, you look at assists, and many other factors.

Honestly, I’m still not sure what point you’re trying to make. Specifically, I don’t see the connection between Lin going to the rookie/sophomore game, you being “puzzled” by Curry’s turnovers, and Curry being a natural shooting guard. It sounded more like a stream of consciousness than anything else.

Well, I am sorry you are confused.

I have done my best to explain it to you.

ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 17, 2012 reply

Monta is doing the same thing

we have the two best TO machines in the league.

Neither of them is turning it over at a ridiculous rate given their usage. You just notice it more because you’re rooting for their team.

What do you mean "given their usage"?

Is Monta doing the same thing, or, not? Is ’given their usage" a mitigating, qualified factor of some type?

Is ’given their usage" a mitigating, qualified factor of some type?

Well, yeah, obviously. If you handle the ball a lot and score a lot, you’re going to cough it up occasionally.

USG% — Usage Percentage; an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

Curry 23.5
Monta 30.4

I haven’t looked at all the players of similar usage, but I don’t think for that range either of their turnover rates are inordinately high.

So, I take it that someone that handles the ball a lot (depending on the offense) may have a higher TO rate?

Like Steve Nash, for example, who has one of the highest career TO PG of the better active PGs, is a floor general/runs the team/gets everyone involved, has loads of assists, shoots efficiently, DOES NOT SCORE A LOT, and is a winner on a winning team. Or, perhaps like Lin, who in this Linesque 8 games, has been a floor general/runs the team/gets everyone involve, has loads of assists, shoots efficiently, SCORED A whole bunch of points, and is a winner on a winning team (7-8Ws). Many factors, I guess, are used to determine the effectiveness of the skill sets of a bonafide PG.

That all sounds good. Not really sure how it relates to what I wrote, though, except tangentially. When you hit “reply,” there’s some expectation that your post will address the post you’re replying to, generally in agreement or disagreement (or in the case of this post, puzzlement). If you’re going to post a bunch of random truisms on the same basic topic as someone else, it makes more sense just to post it in the same thread rather than as a reply.

Sleepy Freud - February 18, 2012 reply

I have answered your replies to the original comment, above, very directly, and questioned your statements.

I am sorry you find that so difficult to accept, or, do not see (or, want to see) that.

dinohealth - February 18, 2012 reply

I truly don’t get Steph’s turnovers
I can understand some here and there, I really can. But, he is doing more than just a few

He had an awful game. Overall, his turnover rate this season isn’t bad — about the same as last season, with a significantly higher assist rate. He’’s turning it over much less frequently than, for example, Rondo, LeBron, or Deron. Not saying he hasn’t been annoyingly out of it at times this season, but turnovers are not the problem per se.

Curry seems to have had more bad games than good 1’s this season.

Yeah, kinda seems that way, but overall his numbers are still pretty good, especially given the ankle issues he’s been dealing with.

I think he has actually improved in TO rate over last year,

without any apologetics required.

it just seeems he is so hot or cold...

PIRATEWARRIOR - February 17, 2012 reply

Yes but when hes had a good game they've been ridiculously good

Just saying, in his last 13 (since injury) he’s had 4 efficient scoring games.

Those 4 games- 42-59 shooting, 20 fts, 113 points. 28.3 ppg, TS%- .833
Other 9 games- 39- 117 shooting, 8 fts 101 points, 11.2 ppg, TS%- .419

However overall of his 13 games back appears ok- 16.5 ppg, TS%- .568

It doesn’t really do justice for just how poor he’s been

tafkasam - February 18, 2012 reply

I wonder how that ankles doing...

Lots of late night plane flights and tons of basketball

Duby Dub Dubs - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

Curry seems to have had more bad games than good 1’s this season.

either he’s still not 100% healthy or something is wrong with the team chemistry?
Not sure if it’s all structural or if some is politics or coaching but Binky seems to not like it.

yes, I get that feeling, too.

picknpop - February 18, 2012 reply

Check his last twitter post

https://twitter.com/#!/StephenCurry30/status/170728143202697217

Ahh! OK, he gets it. Glad he acknowledged it.

Thanks for the link.

Oh well, another one bites the dust. This was not a fun game to watch.

There was a close up of DLee’s face at the end where he looked dazed and confused on the bench. It was depressing.

Poor guy. I feel for him.

He has been delivering, in spite of the fact that he really has little help inside. Must be terribly frustrating for him, though he is always upbeat.

Yeah, you know I really agree with you. I feel for him, too.

I voted for him tonight. I really think he plays hard and is so upbeat and positive. He seems to like playing for the Warriors, too, which is always so nice to see from a player. I wish there was some more return for his effort.

Poor guy. I feel for him.

me too, you can’t fault his heart. He’s a great piece for a system not yet found.

lol!

He is the only piece, and sole indicator of the existence of any type of system!

Added

Curry tweet. warriors.com audio, quotes. nba.com highlights, recap.

ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 17, 2012 reply

Jenkins is bad

1 game brung u to that conclusion?

dont_stop_believin' - February 17, 2012 reply

Why do you type with such horrible grammar?

notEdreese - February 17, 2012 reply

why?

PIRATEWARRIOR - February 17, 2012 reply

No shame in losing to the thunder at home

But oh the tank envy!!
Three years of good/great draft positioning in a row and the thunder get Durant, Westbrook, and Harden

Duby Dub Dubs - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

suck for LUCK haha.

but come trade deadline…if we are still losing, I say trade for picks definitely.

bimmercirem3 - February 17, 2012 reply

This one has got me in an awkward mood.

Hopefully it’s just one of those games they just forget and move forward.

Although a lot of the loss boils down to missing good looks and other times lackluster execution, in general our offensive style is a wrong fit for the players we have. We have a coach who was a great point guard and since taking the job has said so much about what he expects from HIS point guard, yet the offense doesn’t look like it even has a point guard. There’s arguably more of a point guard role in our bench unit with Nate Robinson, but lately he hasn’t been able to create anything except for himself.

As meaningless as this season will seemingly end up being, this has to be a fragile moment in Curry’s development. He can, and should, be a point guard, but either he hasn’t accepted the role, hasn’t been executing the role, or the description of the role he has been given is not very synonymous with the traditional PG role.

Here’s what I see happen the majority of the time: He brings the ball up just past half court, waits, passes to a wing coming off a down-screen, a big in the high post, or Monta cutting across the key, then ends up near the baseline looking for screens to get open for a shot. Although he is a great shooter, it’s a waste of his talents. Who knows, maybe he doesn’t want to work in traffic in order to protect his ankle.

He is a combo guard at best

probably a shooting guard. Unfortunately he has not shown the consistent ability to run the pick and roll and make good passes.

Added

Mark Jackson in the hallway. CSN highlights, recap. Rusty tweets. Rusty, MT2 recap

One pet peeve

When Curry does the pick and pop with David Lee, he always seems to make a behind the back pass to Lee.

Yeah, I have noticed this, too. So dangerous.

Only safe to do when we are up by say 30. Oh yeah- that never happens. So don’t do it!

picknpop - February 18, 2012 reply

in general our offensive style is a wrong fit for the players we have

or players in general. We need the ball movement of the eagle and not of the rabbit.

We need the ball movement of the eagle and not of the rabbit.

I don’t get what you are trying to say

I don’t get what you are trying to say

ball movement thru the air and not just dribblin around and getting stuck in hole somewhere.

That's it for tonight.

Not worth spending any more energy on this loss when we have another loss coming tomorrow.

I told you

Gumby only does Warriors wins now

Yeah, I guess so

he did a couple of close ones before.

lol at the videos on this thread: warriors practice footage: trick shots

man practice is really productive! these players have their priorities straight! who needs to win if you can make a cool shot once in a while?

Calm down

Players do this in practice all the time.

haha yea i know just findin a way to hate on the most mediocre team in the nba

You do know that players are allowed to take breaks and have fun once in a while

The media guys are in there after the bulk of the team’s real practice is done.

A lot of interesting things come out of these videos.

Just little tidbits that help you get a better picture of the player.

i did learn that monta likes to scream a lot!

lol

Demonstrates passion for the game! :-)

or passion for trick shots

That, too,

is passion for the game! ;-)

We can't keep going like this..

We need to trade Biedrins and Curry

Potential - February 17, 2012 reply

Let's do it.

What do you expect to get for them?

Curry and Biedrins for Hinrich, Pachulia + 1st round pick

Then trade Ellis + Udoh + Kwame + Wright for Howard + Davis

Then sign Deron Williams in the off-season, Dwight will take his player option and we have Dwight/Lee/Rush/Thompson/Williams.

Cya in the NBA Finals

Potential - February 17, 2012 reply

lol. I do not want to rain on your p-rade, but,

Dwight does not want to come here!

Skeptic con Urquell - February 18, 2012 reply

look it's Dwight's agent!

it’s pretty cool how you’re so close to Dwight. Never knew we had one of his best buds here to provide info about him. Dude, i’m tired of hearing the whole “they’d never want to come here” crap. Sure, it may be true in many cases, but if we gut the roster for a star that doesn’t wanna come here, we win either way. We get a star(that’s a plus already) and if he sandbags it, we suck and get a good draft pick, he walks, we suck more next year and get more draft picks, and so on. OR, he does what he does, destroys the opposition, we get better, get more credibility around the league, and all that crap. I’m glad you’re not in our front office Mr. Glass Half Empty. Ruling out trades for stars because you think they don’t wanna come here is stupid. I’d rather make a damn move for once and take a risk than pray that somehow there’s a significant jump in talent from the same guys year in, year out. We’re mediocre and we have a mediocre team, get over it. There’s only a few ways to remove the “laughingstock of the league.” Slapping your d**k in the dirt and saying “they don’t wanna come here though!” isn’t gonna make you a winner. It’s gonna keep you in Mediocrity City. And we’re the mayor here.

JayDanger - February 18, 2012 reply

Ruling out trades for stars because you think they don’t wanna come here is stupid.

I hafta agree, there’s guys you don’t want to over pay and there’s guys like DHo that are worth over paying. If we can lure him in with a big contract then it’s worth trying.

You guys may be right.

I guess, if he ever comes here, you WILL be right…

dinohealth - February 18, 2012 reply

Curry and Biedrins for Hinrich, Pachulia + 1st round pick

wow…just wow

bigkino217 - February 18, 2012 reply

Re: We can't keep going like this..

Sure we can…we’re The Warriors.

We knew early on that there are some tough patches in this schedule, that our roster is still just as weak as last year…and yet they do nothing.
Status quo, the warrior way

Duby Dub Dubs - February 18, 2012 via mobile reply

Nobody on this roster is untradeable

Curry is the closest thing to untradeable, but if a good enough package comes up he should be dealt

I am just questioning what Curry's and Biedrins' trade value would be at this particular point in time.

There are questions about Steph’s ankle/durability, as well as his ability to run the point. Biedrins is a complete question mark!

Biedrins is a complete question mark!

If by question mark you mean “a gigantic seven foot tall waste of oxygen” then yes

Duby Dub Dubs - February 18, 2012 via mobile reply

lol!

Yes, taking the kid gloves off, that is what I said!

dinohealth - February 18, 2012 reply

I was wondering about Stephen Curry's lack of focus recently

What if Stephen Curry doesn’t WANT to play the point guard role? What if he doesn’t want to think about the game as a whole, control tempo, etc? What if, instead, he just wants to play the play-making shooters role, where he gets to shoot the ball, or use his passing skills to make nifty plays with other teammates, because he finds that part of the game more fun and interesting?

Amen, IQ!

I have suspected that for a long time. I do not believe Curry wants to play PG. He came into this league with everyone saying he is too small to play SG. He has tried to make the conversion to PG. It is not only that the role of a play-making SG may be more fun or interesting. In fact, that is what he does best! I think he is a SG from the get go. I also think he can make it in this league as a shooting guard.

I dunno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbOL3HYNQ1Y&feature=player_embedded
Curry clearly says he that he wants to be the point guard. Unfortunately he needs to become a better passer before he can truly be considered a “point guard”

I disagree that he clearly says he wants to be a point guard in that interview

His answer is more “descriptive” about the role of being a point guard. I’m not sensing any personal desire or personal connection about the point guard role in his answer. But it’s also hard to read his answer because this interview came right after the Blazer lost the other day, which probably bummed everyone out.

His play reminds me of monta 09-10

In the sense of completely unfocused. If he’s feeling it and gets going he smiles and has fun and we reap the benefits. But when a few bad things happen, he kind of seems to check out mentally, horrible passes. No chucking, but equally detrimental

tafkasam - February 18, 2012 reply

He's been chucking lately as well

He does seem out of whack

dubzfan - February 18, 2012 reply

Couple thoughts

We should have traded Dorell before the season started. His trade value was high due to his “breakout” season last year.
Biedrins should have been traded to Houston for those expiring contracts. Why we didn’t will always escape me.
Curry needs to be more assertive.
The Warriors front office is a joke
Rush may be coming back down to earth after his ridiculous shooting performance from three. He’s a great guy off the bench but not a starter, and is playing out of position as a SF. We have no SF depth.
Lee was supposed to solve our rebounding issues. So far, he hasn’t. What we really need is a center who can stop taller guys from offensive rebounding the basketball.

What if Stephen Curry doesn’t WANT to play the point guard role?

what if we had a center to make it more fun?