Golden State Of Mind

That was not on Lee, teapot, that was, apparently, on the game plan

He did not get the touches.

this argument is tired

if you’re having a great game, and you’re a “star,” you go get the basketball. you don’t stand around “because it’s the gameplan.” If the coach isn’t getting you the ball, you tell him to. If you’re teammates aren’t getting you the ball, you go to an open spot on the floor and demand it. You don’t LET them forget about you.

I guess Lee cannot do right by you!

19 points PG (11th in NBA), 10.1 reboundsPG (9th in NBA), .523 shooting (12th in NBA), no help inside, playing with 4 sub-performing starters (Biedrins, Wright, Curry, and Monta are not peaking out this year!), solid leader, solid work ethic, solid team player, are not enough for you, I guess! You must be one of those people that always wants his glass, half-full, that you may be able to complain either way.

You must be one of those people that always wants his glass, half-full, that you may be able to complain either way.

I think you mean half-empty?

Either way, that’s not the case. I’ve been defending this team’s playoff chances for a while. I’m not sure why you feel the need to throw stats at me that I already know about. But since you did, my turn.

In the final 2 minutes of these 6 games:
Jan 7 vs Utah
Jan 10 vs Miami
Jan 12 vs Orlando
Jan 20 vs Indiana
Jan 23 vs Memphis
Feb 7 vs Oklahoma City
Total stats per Matt Steinmetz :

David Lee: Hard to believe but Lee has taken just one shot (a miss) in the final two minutes of those six games. One shot. And even that’s a stretch, really, because the shot attempt was actually a tip-in try off a rebound against Oklahoma City on Tuesday – an attempt that was blocked. He didn’t attempt a free throw, either.

Throw in last night’s game, and that’s now 7 close 4th-quarter games in which he’s attempted just 1 total shot in the final two minutes. That’s awful.

Considering I never said he’s not playing well overall, and that I pointed out he was having a very good game last night, I thought you’d understand that’s not what I have a problem with. Yet, you cite total game stats, when I’m clearly talking about crunch time. Defining crunch time is kind of arbitrary, but in this definition of it, he fails about as bad as anyone can, especially for a guy averaging the kind of numbers you were kind enough to remind me of.

You can see his disappearance late in games just from watching, but I had no idea it was this bad. It’s clear that if we’re discussing stepping up in late games, you’ve no legs to stand on to defend Lee. Great games tend to mean very little when you can’t put the finishing touches on them.

So like I said. If he’s going to be that 20-10 star guy, he’s going to need to do more late in games, especially since he doesn’t really bring anything on defense. He DOES need to demand the ball more, an DOES need to be more aggressive when it gets down to crunch time. What he’s doing now just isn’t cutting it. We’ve lost more 4th quarter leads than any other team in the NBA, and his late disappearances on offense are clearly a factor in us falling apart down the stretch.

Send a letter to his coach.

Major Jackson is receptive.

dinohealth - February 17, 2012 reply

Ok...?

Brownie13 - February 17, 2012 reply

I'm not sure if we can be contenders without a legit post prescence

We’re just a bunch of shooters right now. Monta is the only penetrator. Lee isn’t a post up guy.

Lee didn’t get the ball down the stretch. He was killing all game. What more do you want from the guy? He scored in every way. It takes more than 1 guy.

J-RIDAH - February 15, 2012 reply

We do need a post presence....

… but I still don’t understand why the offense never runs through Lee in the 4th…. he’s been by far our most consistent offensive player while Monta and Steph seem to play well every other game and completely disappear for the others.

Lee didn’t get the ball down the stretch.

wonder why that was?

Lee didn’t get the ball down the stretch.

How do you blame not touching the ball at all on other players? He needs to demand the ball if its not coming to him naturally.

biedrins needs to play more

its not like he was sucking today and in addition they were getting out rebounded badly when he was out

Bobbita - February 15, 2012 reply

Portland went small.

J-RIDAH - February 15, 2012 reply

But we were still killed on the boards

Didn’t matter that they were small

dubzfan - February 15, 2012 reply

Portland went small.

wouldn’t that be a good time to go big and go post up?

go big and go post up

Which of our players have a post game?

Which of our players have a post game?

don’t know cause they never try it. Any big should be able to post up if the other team is going small though. Instructions to dre would be something like…get close, catch pass, hold onto ball with both hands, jump high as hell ,and stuff it in.Repeat as needed.

Pretty disappointing when Gerald Wallace is owning Lee on the glass

gerald wallace is an extremely good rebounder

and he’s strong as hell

i wouldnt say disappointing

j-spliff415 - February 16, 2012 reply

From the couple plays that I watched him, he doesn't DESERVE to play more

I don't know why the Warriors stopped running offense in the 4th quarter

No backside action, no high post… just Nate

I would credit some of that to their defense

I remember posting a couple of times that Nate scored because he was bailing out the play because nothing else they tried in that possession had worked.

Yeah I know the Blazers turned up their defense, for sure

I just don’t know why Curry isn’t getting the ball more, and why we expect Nate to be our closer.

This leads me to another point – our offense always seems to stall in the fourth when teams turn up their defense.

People just stand around looking at what the person with the ball is going to do.

I wonder if MJ doesn't trust Curry's decision making yet

Saint telestrated a transition play where there were 3 Warriors running towards the basket, and Curry decided to dish it to a trailing Klay 3 attempt. I think those are the decisions that MJ doesn’t like.

Also, I think Curry isn’t assertive enough of a personality to demand the ball and want to take over. This was something Matt Steinmetz brought up. He thought that Curry and Lee haven’t shown that they WANT to be “the man” to close the game. And Steinmetz also said that he thought MJ actually SHOULD bring in Nate, because Nate does have that personality to want to close the game. Coincidentally, we saw that tonight.

Maybe....

…but anyone who watched Curry in college knows he is ready to take the big shot. He might not demand it like the alpha dogs, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t the best option to take it.

Maybe the difference is that in college

he was “the man” of the team. Here, he’s not. Maybe he doesn’t want to step on anyone’s toes.

And the funny thing is, Ekpe Udoh has actually taken that step to being “the man” in the last game, when he did NOT pass the ball back to Monta, and took the hook that bounced in.

Yup...

… for better or worse, Steph is never going to be an Alpha dog. He needs the coach and players to give him that position. It’s going to take the right coach and situation for Steph to reach his potential.

he can't

he can’t be Alpha dog, you need to win one on one match up to be the Alpha dog

which he has done many times...

which steph does at a better rate than monta does

bigkino217 - February 16, 2012 reply

Monta allowed Steph to be the man today and he didn’t step up. Its on him. Cant blame anybody else. Steph has been up and down this season. He be getting outplayed by worse point guards.

J-RIDAH - February 15, 2012 reply

Jackson forced it. We got a preview of the 'future' with Klay and Curry. Not a pretty sight at all.

Yes....

….take your one game sample and project the future!

future

Klay and Curry is def our future, I can picture Klay become more off screen 2 guard. I just hope Mark Jackson isn’t our future

I can project that the Klay Curry backcourt is gonna be one with minimal penetration. Its gonna be 1 dimensional.

Klay

I picture Klay more of a sixth man, like a bigger JJ Reddick

Which would be damn fine at #11.

Which is why we need Lebron

That’ll solve it

a GSM traditon

I don't think the trail threes are a bad idea

We do it every game. I sometimes worry about what happens when we stop making that trail three, and that was the result tonight.

Curry, I think, can be “the man,” he just doesn’t care if he is “the man” or not.

You don't go for the trailing 3

When its a 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1 fastbreak

Raiiny - February 15, 2012 reply

We've been doing the trail three a lot

Our shooters are ridiculously good when they are open. I don’t think it is a bad idea. I just think that we do it too much and should sometimes attack the basket.

I think fundamentally its generally a bad idea. You’d have a better offensive matchup/advantage going to the bucket. But NBA shooters are so good that I think you can have some leeway with the decision if the trail guy was an excellent 3pt shooter. Which he Klay is. I probably wouldn’t do it if I were running point, but I can live with it, next time it might go in.

that 3 is almost certainly still going to be there on a kick out if you don't find anything at the basket

so we should be attacking the rim almost every time we’re on the break. If I were coaching, I’d tell them you’d better at least get a foot in the paint to collapse everyone before kicking it back out for a 3

Coincidentally, we saw that tonight

suck the game away?

Stephs body language is starting to piss me off

You can just see him slumping his shoulders and sighing…man the F up dude!

Duby Dub Dubs - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Agree!!

And I have seen him casually throw the ball to the opposite team by not giving 100%. Maintain focus dude. Play with Nate like enthusiasm at all times!

GSt8 - February 16, 2012 reply

Monta didn’t want to be “the man” either, until he reluctantly took on the responsibility when SJax left. Unfortunately, I think it will take Monta leaving before Curry ever fully embraces the responsibility of being “the man”.

Pippen - February 16, 2012 reply

You should just keep this saved in a document...

…so you can copy paste it after every game.

No 4th quarter offense has been a hallmark of the team this year.

It’s worth stressing that our offense was worst in the 3rd quarter, but …

For whatever reason – guys getting tight, nerves, lack of confidence, whatever – it does seem like our offense turns into solo-mode in the 4th quarter of close games.

Ronaldinho - February 16, 2012 reply

Teams play better D down the stretch

That’s generally true, more attention to detail

The thing is, I don't feel like we're forced out of our offense ...

… we just stop doing it.

There have been some halting steps towards running a crunch-time offense (eg, the P&R with Monta and Lee late against OKC) but they’re still clunky baby steps where our own execution is still the biggest problem.

Ronaldinho - February 16, 2012 reply

Agreed, DLee needed more touches in the fourth, didn’t like having Nate handle the ball rather have Curry running pick and roll tbh. Biedrins played well, I would like to see him try to post up rather than just have all of his points come from wide open dunks, Camby wasnt even guarding him when Andris came out to set screens.

Added

gameflow

Just thinking

Isn’t this the perfect team for Mike D’Antoni? We have a bunch of shooters and a good pick and roll guy in Lee.

Lack a PG that mantains his dribble while penetrating into the paint though.

If we had kept Lin...

If we had kept Lin...

it’s worth getting rid of him to just not hafta listen to his fans freakin out every night.

Lack a PG that maintains his dribble while penetrating into the paint though.

Binky can dribble just fine, they just need better designed plays.
like whyz dre always outside where he can’t shoot?
put him closer to the basket so he can put the ball in when he gets it.

MONTA WAS BENCHED IN THE 4TH WHY???????????

STEPHnELLIS - February 15, 2012 reply

Mark Jackson liked Nate more

he was ill.

huh?

He catch the Keith Smart flu in the middle of the game?

he was ill.

didn’t that guy with barnett say something about Montay getting hit in the head?

Its was a big mistake.

He had the flu, but think it was a MJ benching.

“Ellis (3-of-9 FGs, 10 points, five assists) and Stephen Curry (3-of-10 FGs, eight points, eight assists) weren’t great last night, but they weren’t exactly chopped liver, either. As for Ellis, he was jumping around, smiling, and very energetic throughout the game and looked very unhappy on the sideline when benched. Jackson said after the game that he asked Ellis if he was feeling well early in the fourth quarter, and Ellis’ ‘yes’ answer wasn’t convincing enough. Robinson went on to blow the game with his normal assortment of bad basketball I.Q. plays and Ellis left the arena without talking to reporters. Hand down, man down.”

callahan - February 16, 2012 reply

David Lee said Monta threw up after coming out in the 3rd

may have been why he lost the energy we were seeing earlier in the game

I wonder if Monta is pissed off he didn't see the court in the 4th

he was not feeling well, guess he had the flu or something

He did not look happy sitting on the bench. Or maybe that was just his quesy look…

Who looks happy to sit on the bench?

Probably some dude named Biedrins

I’d be happy to sit on a bench and make 9m a yr too.

Raiiny - February 16, 2012 reply

ronnie turiaf

bamboobanga - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

I think he was very pissed. He probably thought he would have been able to make plays at the end. I was pissed as well seeing this game slip away.

If he is, he's making a point of not letting anyone know.

He declined an interview last night, but it’s hard to know if it was because of his illness or what he was worried about saying.

Mark Jackson

why is Mark Jackson not on the poll?

LOL

monta

needed to be in the 4th….

STEPHnELLIS - February 15, 2012 reply

Part of me thinks

that this was a trap game for you guys.

you are right

Yea, Monta got trap on the bench by his Head Coach

...and we lost

At least we cannot blame Monta this time…lol

dinohealth - February 17, 2012 reply

Udoh: 1 rebound in 20 minutes

It’s getting ridiculous. Could he really not box out or outjump someone for a rebound?

He does box out...

… often taking him out of position to rebound…and taking his man away from the board as well…. Like most of Udoh’s impact, it’s the opposite of what we usually look at to assess his performance.

Yeah, I guess he did a nice job boxing out some of the Blazers

well..

… he can’ t box them ALL out.

Still, we are the worst rebounding team in the league

Yup....

…though if everyone boxed out instead of just Udoh, we would be better. That and setting poor, half-hearted screens have been the fundamentals that have bothered me the most this season.

I think all five guys should stay back and rebound instead of running out

Dorell in particular likes to cherry pick.

But many times tonight I saw 3-4 Warriors right under the basket and the 1 Blazer there would invariably come away with the rebound.

Not always, it just feels like it

Honestly the biggest issue is talent, we just don’t have good rebounders in general. Lee is definitely not the rebounder the Warriors though he was (though he isn’t a bad rebounder). We need a real center, we too often play undersized and give up offensive rebounds.

Last night

I consistently saw 4 black jerseys around the hoop, one Warrior at the three point arc launching a shot, and 4 W’s running off screen back on defense, about 75 feet from the rebound.

Part shot selection, part pure crap basketball. Heartless, gutless, and coasting along basketball. “Hey, I did enough” mentality. This team is so far away from being ready for a true dogfight game it’s sad…

I think issues like that play a part.

There’s a reason why they call it gang rebounding because you need the whole team playing with a hunger for that ball. It also helps to have the guys capable of rebounding every given night.

I think issues like that play a part.

the shooters also need to recognize when guys are in place for rebounding and take shots with that in mind.

+1

Si.

GovernorStephCurry - February 15, 2012 reply

+1.

the problem isnt when he is boxing out. the problem is when he isnt! he should be grabbing those rebounds!

And that 1 rebound was 20 feet from the basket.

well...

From how i see it, Udoh tries to block everything that comes in the paint while Lee focuses on the missed shot. It’s a pretty good strategy that focuses on both of their strengths. Maybe if Lee was able to alter shots then maybe we would see around 6 a game from Udoh.

GSWeri - February 16, 2012 reply

Added

Mark Jackson at the podium.

This hurts a lot

Potential - February 15, 2012 reply

Coach Jackson lost us this winnable game. We had Curry Monta work well together for 3 games now, and he decides to blow it up for what? He doesnt trust Curry and turns to Nate? He doesnt trust Monta and sits him?

Absolutely disgraceful coaching decision.

If Jackson really trusts Nate more than he trust Curry or Monta we are in deep trouble. Trust is probably the #1 reason Nate didn’t have a team earlier in the season.

Nate didn't have a team because coaches trust him more than their best players?

Logic doesn’t follow.

Rec

One of the most horrible coached games I have seen from MJ, and he’s had some badly coached games..

thermodynamic - February 15, 2012 reply

Nate's a great backup

but this is getting to Acie Law-level proportions.

steffun4tw - February 15, 2012 reply

Nate had the best game of the 3.

Nate Robinson 8-15, 21 points

Monta, 3-9, 10 pts
Curry, 3-10, 8 pts

Nate Robinson 0 Assists 4 TOs

Monta, 5 Assists 2 TOs

Curry, 8 Assists 2 TOs

Nate stopped hitting shots, and Jackson continued trotting him out there. I’d be pissed as hell if I was Monta.

Nate stopped hitting shots, and Jackson continued trotting him out there

yeah Nate can get in that ball movement killing mode too often., he’s a short term sparkplug but he’s not a long minute guy. If they didn’t plan to play Binky and Montay this much they shoulda kept Ish or work on jenkins.

Jackson's been losing most of our close games for us

There’s zero logic to most of the plays he draws up in the final seconds

j-spliff415 - February 16, 2012 reply

I took it as a sign

That he was pissed at Monta about something we don’t know what. But in reality, the three game winning streak really messed up the teams plans to keep the draft pick. So, some kind of adjustment was going to have to be made to get back on track on that. I mean after Robinson fumbled away 2-3 possesions near the end, it was clear he was gassed. It was like they tried to lose while looking like they were trying to win. And sending a message att he same time. Time will tell. I still want them to lose, and keepthe pick. West is correct. That’s the only way to go.

This is surprising

I pulled up the NBA stat sheet to see why you guys have trouble rebounding, and I didn’t realize how low your rebounding stats were until now.

stats

our real rebounding skills actually is 50 feet below our rebounding stats

So you're saying that

When the stats say that you’re 28th in the league in getting total rebounds, you’re actually 78th?

Kind of reminds me of the time when the Clippers made us (Lakers) look like a bad rebounding team when we first faced them. The Hawks did kill us on offensive rebounds, but we managed to win that game.

rebounding

our rebounding in traffic should ranked among D league teams

lol

Oh

I see what you mean. Is that one of the reasons why the Warriors are weak on defense?

At this point...

….it’s actually our biggest weakness on defense… which is saying a lot considering we have Monta, Steph, and Lee in our starting line up.

So I guess the only way to cover up the mistakes on defense is with an explosive offense?

i honestly don’t think we’re all that bad on defense, but we give up so many 2nd chance points that it cancels out whatever we do defensively

AJC3317 - February 15, 2012 reply

I see what you mean….

Camby

Marcus Camby is a great rebounder, but we made him look like Ben Wallace tonight

New plan to improve W's rebounding

Put velcro on the backs of their uni’s so when they turn and run back before the rebound is secured, sometimes the ball will accidentally hit them and stick.

That might help. Or hire some men to play ball. Either way…

Coaching?

off topic, what’s worse Keith Smart team got completely blow out or Mark Jackson team lost winable game with bad rotation and player management

Us

The Kings played last night against the Bulls to the final seconds. We were rested.

and playing an exhausted team

missing their star player. but remember, we’re a no excuses basketball team. lol

centerre - February 15, 2012 reply

we have a excuse

Mark Jackson is our excuse

Jackson made the right call

He left the hot player in. Nate had more points on less shots than Monta/Steph combined.

It’s refreshing to me. It’s not like he benched Rose for CJ or Lebron for James Jones

I don't know.

I could see how he deserved to be in until about the middle of the 4th, but every minute after that I was getting increasingly aggitated. With under six mins to go, the guys were clearly out of sync offensively and a change was due. The ball was in Nate’s hands way too much. Steph did not look happy at all. And the obvious change was to swap Nate for Monta.

I believe Monta did something to P-O his coach.

fotd - February 16, 2012 reply

There is an argument for keeping him in. Definitely.

He was aggressive, and he was scoring. But as some point, you do have to go back to the guys who are supposed to be your best players.

In the 2 games against the Kings, it was different. We had one whole bench unit playing well, while as a unit, the starters were just bad. They weren’t just playing poorly individually, but as a whole, they just couldn’t be relied upon at all in the 2nd half either time.

In this game, that wasn’t the case. Nate, individually was having a good scoring night, but it’s not like we were playing much better as a team when he was on the court. If you think that Steph and Monta are your best players, they both need to be on the court late in close games, with the offense running through them.

In this game, there is a difference. For some reason, Monta was unavailable. The report is he was sick, but the details of what happened to keep him off the court, despite playing in the first 3 quarters, are not very clear. So with that in mind, Mark Jackson didn’t really have a call to make. However, the real question is whether or not Monta was really unable to go, or if the way Nate was playing was the reason Monta was benched, then there’s something to talk about.

Added

Curry, Lee in the locker room. CSN highlights, recap.

Added

nba.com highlights, recap.

Mark Jackson

Would be funny if we fire Mark Jackson and Kings make him Keith Smart assistance coach

If we fire Mark Jackson I would dance around my living room

thermodynamic - February 15, 2012 reply

oh come on how hard is it to dance in your livign room

tolliver - February 15, 2012 reply

Added

warriors.com audio, quotes.

Just a weird game.

No Monta in the end of the third or all of the fourth. He looked off the entire night, for that matter.

Curry never really got aggressive.

Our shooters couldn’t shoot after the first quarter.

David Lee, our lone bright spot, was invisible in the fourth.

Nate Robinson, who deserves honorable mention for great energy and play, should never be our first option while playing with Steph and Lee. Putting him in all those isolations at the end was just baffling.

And defensively…. Wow… If Portland could hit an open 3, this would’ve been a blowout.

I won’t even get into rebounding.

We should have won. Another game thrown away. #8-14 pick here we come :( (I’d like to say otherwise but there’s no signs pointing towards consistent winning and consistently solid play from this group).

steffun4tw - February 15, 2012 reply

Added

Rusty recap.

Waiting on gumby.

IQofaWarrior - February 16, 2012 reply

Don't bother

He only does wins, I think

doubleteapot - February 16, 2012 reply

No, he does losses too

I think what he doesn’t do is blowout losses.

IQofaWarrior - February 16, 2012 reply

My thoughts after every win: “Only x games out of the eighth seed!”
My thoughts after every loss: “Why aren’t they tanking yet!?”

notEdreese - February 16, 2012 reply

Hahaha so true

Same here. Overreaction ftw

steffun4tw - February 16, 2012 reply

whipsaw blues

OK, I'm done.

I don’t think gumby is doing highlights. If he is, you can check here: http://twitter.com/#!/gumbyhighlights

IQofaWarrior - February 16, 2012 reply

just way too many jump shots. I don’t understand why they don’t drive more, it would even help open up guys on the perimeter. As it is there are so many wasted possessions with someone going for the glory three-pointer early in the shot clock

a10dency2ask - February 16, 2012 reply

We need a better small forward that specializes in closing. Dorell is a jump shooter. We need a guy like Granger.

J-RIDAH - February 16, 2012 reply

So do a lot of teams

And if our first priority is a center, SF can wait

dubzfan - February 16, 2012 reply

What's also frustrating.....

Steph and Monta had 13 assists together……so we let Nate run the offense in the clutch?

Seriously terrible coaching job.

Furthermore

Steph and Monta had 4 TOs combined, Nate himself had 4 TOs.

Nate was the only one scoring

21 points, 8-15

Monta/Steph, 18 points, 6-19 shooting

We were getting no punch other than Nate + DLee

Nate was scoring

Doesn’t mean he has to pound the ball every possession. Curry and Ellis were having an off shooting night, but were dishing it well enough.

It makes NO sense why Nate had to pound to ball so much, ESPECIALLY when he started missing and taking dumb turnovers. It makes EVEN LESS sense why Monta never touched the floor in the 4th.

Apprently for Jackson

The only play in his 4th Qtr playbook is Isolation.

Nate was the only one scoring

ball hogs do that

Ugh, I am still disappointed today

I was hoping that I could sleep it off, but no. I am still upset about this loss. It just seemed like a dumb loss and was not necessary. Some of the other games, I could understand, but this game was in the bag several times and it wasn’t even that it slipped away. I don’t really know what happened. It was just dumb. I am upset about this one.

Hope this doesn’t ruin Klay. MJ said that he was down on himself again. He seems to be really in his own head and I can see this impacting his next few games. I hope not, though.

Was Monta really sick? I mean, I can believe that he was sick but I don’t believe he was so sick he refused to play. My thought was MJ wanted to save him for Friday’s game and thought he could rest him and spare him the exertion. I hope that it was not some “flow game” move.

picknpop - February 16, 2012 reply

Blazers fan here...

I’m super surprised we won in the Oracle. I always mark these games down as losses. I like your team, and I was thinking during the game that if you guys had LaMarcus Aldridge you guys would really hard to beat. I wish the Blazers could shoot the 3 like the Warriors.

Last night Gerald Wallace did shoot it like us.

J-RIDAH - February 16, 2012 reply

but he doesn’t normally. even felton had 2 three pointers. it was bizarro…they basically won because they out shot the warriors from 3 point land—which is what the warriors do best. and the blazers are not a decent 3 point shooting team. freaky win. but i’ll take it!

. it was bizarro

this is the season of bizarro, our scrub becomes king of new york.

that is definitely amazing...

I’m waiting for him to come back to earth, but it doesn’t seem likely. He is living the American dream.

He is living the American dream.

he’s the 1% part of the dream, we are the 99% part that gets screwed.

It happens

Like how we grinded a defensive win v. chicago

We can test this theory

I like your team, and I was thinking during the game that if you guys had LaMarcus Aldridge you guys would really hard to beat

LMA for Biedrins

sure, that seems more than fair. :-)

A trade that’s even more fair is Felton, Matthews, Batum for Curry, Ellis & Wright. How ’bout it?

The W's aren't going to any "playoffs" this year without a ticket

As a fan living in LA I don’t get to see many games on TV. Watching last night is was clear Riley is correct. 10 Jeremy Lin’s couldn’t win that game. No force under the basket. Portland played 4 Udohs and a guard and just beat them up.

My opinion is that with the three best “centers” in the D League and Thompson and Robinson, the W’s could have won that game.

Is Thompson the only guy on the team looking for cutters? He practically throws the ball out of bounds when no one cuts to the basket. What a bunch of crappy players!

CUT TO THE BASKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUNK A FEW!!!!! ALLEY OOP IT!!!!!!!

Lee did great but…he was easy to shut down once the jumpers stopped falling. He needs a 7ft monster next to him to take the burden off him.

Neither Curry OR Monta are point guards. This team NEEDS a PG. This all SG lineup sucks.

I belive trading Curry and Monta for nothing but draft picks (not possible) would result in about 3 more wins for this team THIS year. They cause a lot of losses by just not being pg’s. Not their fault, they are just out of position. I prefer Thompson at SG for the future (6’7") so trade the two 3 point bombers for the best draft picks and biggest players you can get. And don’t look back. Seriously. Infatuation with mediocre players is the downfall of GS.

Keep Thompson, Udoh, McGwire. Try to trade the rest. Those three actually fit the future. A starting SG and two back up forwards. It would be better than what is on the court now.

Or, just hire Don Nelson back. He could win 45 games with these small guys. Seriously, he could!

you're forgetting rush

j-spliff415 - February 16, 2012 reply

Um, maybe...

I just don’t see it being a problem to find a guy to do what he does in the D league. He’s no friggen all star and he’s not 7’ tall, so we already have 37 guys that are 6’5 and under that score the ball and shoot the three. But at least Rush defends well. Yeah, I’d keep him around at a decent price. But he’s a small piece of the puzzle.

4 Udoh and 1 Guard

more like 2 Udoh and 1 Rondo (only reason I use Rondo cause he can’t shoot but rebounds well) and whoever can beat our current line up

Lawrence9ers - February 16, 2012 reply

And two warrior girls

…cutting to the basket…ha!

Really bad coaching

MJ is trying to play safe. It will not work. A balance should be in everything. Without penetration 2-point shooters will never have a good look . Both Monta and Steph should be aggressive. Bigs are never cutting to the hoop. Because of “safety” concerns we do not run as we used to. We are a very young team playing as retirees. Because of these “safety” precautions both Monta and Steph are getting worth visibly every game. We are in big trouble

Ambal - February 16, 2012 reply

It's a money issue, obviously

Noone is saying it, but the W’s are just cheap. Look at the W’s, what does their best player earn? $11 million a year?

Almost ALL the top teams have at least 3 guys making MORE than that on their rosters. Thats 60% of the starters.

In other words, the W’s “best” players wouldn’t be more than the 4th best player on a good team. The W’s best plyayer is David Lee and he’s basically Lamar Odom.

So, until the W’s have 3 starters earning in the $15 mill and above range, they will play like a team whos best players couldn’t crack the starting line up of the great teams in the league.

And that’s why Beadrins is on the team. They couldn’t afford to cut him. They couldn’t afford to pay him AND his replacement. So, they went cheap and hoped.

It's not that simple

Not a free market system like basketball.

Even if we wanted to, we couldn’t offer Dwight a max contract.

Now the biedrins point…. legitimate. We can’t just cut losses, except a short term step back to create space to get an adequate team

Attles is for keeping Beidrins

His point is that losing Davis took away the one play Beidrins can run, the catch and dunk. It’s probably smarter at this point to get another Davis-type PG (which is a team need anyway) and seeing if Attles is correct. I’d listen to the man.

Noone is saying it, but the W’s are just cheap. Look at the W’s, what does their best player earn? $11 million a year?

Nah, Warriors are just dumb. They did offer a sizable contract to Tyson Chandler (oh how I wish he was here) but then panicked and offered a contract to RFA DeAndre Jordan.

Btw, going by most expensive player isn’t a good gauge. The Warriors payrol is ~$60.2m, which places them 16th in the league. Kings are last at ~$46m.

Damn, reply fail

I guess I'm saying

Elite players are more in the $15mil year range and we ain’t got any.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gnFgwbkr78

This is pretty funny, hitler betting against Lin

tolliver - February 16, 2012 reply

J.R. Smith close to signing with the knicks

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1058/jr-smith

tolliver - February 16, 2012 reply

What pisses me off...

Gerald Wallace 4-4 from 3? Dude was shooting 15% from 3 on the road and doesn’t miss here? Absolutely ridiculous..

And what I don’t get it why didn’t Lee get more shots? Everytime he did something good happened.. IDIOTS!

Potential - February 16, 2012 reply

maybe other teams dont leave him wide open like we do

bigkino217 - February 16, 2012 reply

Thanks for all the good poop, IQ. Great, comprehensive, coverage, as usual.

I also enjoyed your providing a link to the Marcus Thompson II story on GM Riley finally owning up to the Lin decision, expressing some regrets, something that he should have done when Houston’s GM did so. Thompson’s report confirmed things I (and others), have been commenting on, since the beginning of Linsanity, on Lin:

1. Lacob gets credit for getting him his contract, but, failing to stick with his instincts about him. There was dissension in the front office about letting go of Lin and Reggie for an empty shot on Jordan. It might have come from Lacob himself.

2. Smart not playing Lin more, and giving him a few starts, particularly when the season was a loss, in favor of Acie Law, was critical in the corporate understanding (lack thereof) of his capabilities and constant improvement

3. Major Jackson, does not get a bye on the responsibility for letting him go. Although folks have tried to shift all of this on Smart, and, MJ is correct on saying Lin never even practiced for him, there was enough film and corporate knowledge around (including the owner) to have stuck by Lin and Reggie on the part of the MJ, at least as adamant as he stood by the choice of another player that never practiced for him, Jenkins. At any rate, trying to “protect” Lin by shopping him all summer in Europe does not speak well of the FO’s seriousness in evaluating and utilizing his skill sets while he was a Warrior. Further, it is unthinkable that a Lin, or, a Reggie, going into their second and third years as Warriors, respectively, was even compared to the potential of a rookie like Jenkins. I happen to like him a lot; the other two, however, were, clearly, more vested and proven as to their potential in our organization, if MJ had bothered to really evaluate that.

4. Thompson reports, without taking a position, that Riley says that the PR value of Lin in our market was not a factor in the decision to offer him a contract. I seriously doubt that. Granted that Lacob had personal knowledge of Lin’s career and accomplishments from the relationship between Lin and his son. However, this is a business, and Lin’s PR value in our market must have also been considered by any astute business person. I am sure it was also discussed in the decision criteria evaluation by the FO when they decided to let him go. Unfortunately, not sticking with Lacob’s original instincts on the player, cost them the greatest sports PR story of the year (so far), and, perhaps, a great point guard in-the-making.

Lacob should have told them all to go stuff it! Red Auerbach would have probably done that!

As has been pointed out by many, there were other options, including the manner we elected for our use of amnesty. Which is why I still think, the entire Jordan deal was either a calculated PR move, or, a very dumb move, indeed.

Let it go. Everything happens for a reason.

Xtremelink - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

lol. Now that it has been properly framed (finally),

we can hang it on the wall along with the rest of the Warrior memorabilia of what might have been. Some of us caught a lot of flak in here from FO apologists for saying these things as the story was developing. In the case of Lin and Reggie, I have been saying some things since 2010. Finally, the FO owned up to what we have been saying.
If you do not admit your mistakes, you are bound to repeat them, as we have seen over and over again.. A lot of us were tired of quietly bearing silent witness to repeat FO underachieving performances. Yes, now, it is time to move on.