Golden State Of Mind

Whoooooooo

Blazers are very beatable at home

especially because they will have played the Wiz on Tuesday

You're saying they'll be easy to play because their starters will get to rest all of the 4th quarter the night before?

I’m not following….

myk - February 14, 2012 reply

No such thing as “very beatable” when it comes to the Warriors, even though we did beat Blazers here at home a few weeks ago =\

bObaBaLLa - February 14, 2012 reply

My god

Is this the hardest stretch we have? We can easily go 0-5

bojangles408 - February 13, 2012 reply

its longer than a 5 game rough stretch

you only see the next 5 games

bigkino217 - February 14, 2012 reply

Apparently Jerry West watched Arenas work out with the Lakers

I guess he won’t be making any front office decisions anytime soon. And it was silly to expect him to suddenly want to be a GM again.

It's been rumored that his role is actually going to be increasing here.

I don’t see why him watching the Arenas private workout suggests anything other than him trying to gauge what Gilbert has left.

The last guy he watched work out ended up on the team.

If nothing else, you can find out if he's worth bringing in if we do end up trading Monta or Steph

He wouldn’t be such a terrible addition.

He wouldn’t be such a terrible addition.

Agreed. What’s a word that means worse than terrible?

Evanz - February 14, 2012 reply

You wouldn’t bring him in for a vet minimum if we ended up trading away one of our guards? Reports are he looked very healthy and very mobile in the workout. I’d especially do it if were Curry that was traded. Wouldn’t want to start Nate or Monta at PG, and would rather work CJ into more minutes than throwing him into the fire.

If Arenas could some in and shoot the 3 efficiently and pick up a few assists a game, he’d be a smart pickup. If he couldn’t, we only increased our player salaries by about $1M. Solid reward, low risk move, and one that has been said would appeal to Dwight if we did trade for him.

operation carrot - February 13, 2012 reply

went Lee here

Udoh played a great game but Lee was our offensive force tonite

The league better hope we never get a Center.

You really are the voice of irrational fans.

I’ve come to accept it at this point. The Warriors hedge their bets on people like you.

huh?

he is not saying anything outlandish…pretty clear if this team had a legit center it becomes at least a mid western conf team…but a lot of teams can say the same thing.

Well define legit center...

And yeah…like you said, you can say that about almost all teams. I don’t see how that makes our team special.

we're just one LeBron away

Evanz - February 14, 2012 reply

lol

I’d say 2 or 3

From still not having a ring?

Sorry, couldn’t help it :)

Udoh seems to be a pretty good center.

And he plays the majority of our center minutes, yet we’re not very good. Hmm.

Udoh is a PF.

Legit center is even Kawame Brown compared to what we have now.

He can't even hope to compete with any legitimately sized center

Marc Gasol, Bynum, Howard, Hibbert, etc destroy him in the post. He holds his own far better against PFs because they are more his size.

And they destroy almost every center in the post.

Hibbert and Gasol didn’t do much against Udoh though.

Hibbert had a season high in rebounds

They didn’t have big offensive games, but I’m not sure it was Udoh guarding them much or not. I just know he struggles with guys bigger than him. Ideally you want a center who can be just as physical as the others at his position.

dont forget about

Gortat

azw - February 14, 2012 reply

he'd be part of the etc

if all we did is swap chris wright for dwight howard ,we become a championship contender

why is Biedrins even in the poll

tolliver - February 13, 2012 reply

and who the hell

voted for him. lol.

lakititi - February 13, 2012 reply

Why did someone vote for him?

maybe he voted for himself....haha

ego boost much beans???

Maybe we should all vote for him as some sort of joke

hahahaha

Kind of like that time when we rec’ed all of Montadaboss’s fanposts. Whatever happened to that funny l’il guy?

Man if he wrote a fanpost I'd be down with recing it

I heard a rumor that he became GovernorStephenCurry.

I'm 99% sure that's true. I think he said it a while back.

notEdreese - February 13, 2012 reply

Wow...

I heard an even crazier rumor that notEdreese is actually edreese, edreese2, edreese23, edreese22, edreese224, Edreese223, ZaMzAm FIRe, StStaints408, and boomdizzleness. I’m not sure if I believe it though…

olympicmike - February 14, 2012 reply

Wait why does he have so many accounts LOL

It was at a time before he was a mod. Me and Atma 1 didn't exactly get along.

I got banned for swearing without even swearing. Like I got a warning, did not comment for a week, and then got banned again. That happened.

notEdreese - February 14, 2012 reply

i got banned for saying F*** the Lakers

Not even a warning.. it was crazy talk

TooShort2Play - February 14, 2012 reply

lol

thats not a rumor…you get to look at the IPs don’t you?

I won't deny it. all the Edreese ones were me trying to get on at school but they wouldn't let me get onto my email.

How about you go see why I got banned? I believe someone started a religious thread of some sort and I got banned for providing definitions. Not sure why you’re targeting me when Brownie was the one that stated the rumor?

notEdreese - February 14, 2012 reply

Haha

Targeting you? Hey man, I’m just joking around. I think if I was targeting you you’d have just found yourself banned again. You have to admit that the sheer number of usernames is pretty funny, no matter the circumstances.

And let’s get this straight, you were banned for swearing and name calling on most of those accounts, and if you suddenly decide to start behaving that way again you will be banned again. Lucky for all of us here you (like Gov and many others) seem to have gotten the hang of things after a few slaps on the e-wrist. Personally, I think your most recent username was funny enough to earn you a fresh start. :)

olympicmike - February 14, 2012 reply

HAHAH just looked , but how do you know its really him?

With great power comes great responsibility...

I can’t talk about it. ;)

olympicmike - February 14, 2012 reply

IP adresses

I mean...

the guy did hit every shot he took

asanddubs - February 14, 2012 reply

awesome

the bar has been set

Duby Dub Dubs - February 14, 2012 reply

he made 4points thats super rare

richstyle - February 13, 2012 reply

Now I know I said this twice already

but I’ll mention it again anyway. I took a peek at the Blazers schedule, and it turns out that they will be playing a back-to-back-to-back series against the Wizards, Warriors, and Clippers. You guys have one day off, so you should be a bit rested after playing a tough back-to-back. However, you guys should obviously not take the Blazers lightly since they’re going to play rough against you guys.

Sorry if you already mentioned this but I perhaps missed it

but what team do you root for?

I always see you taking great interest in the Warriors but you never associate yourself with them.

steffun4tw - February 13, 2012 reply

He's a Lakers fan

But since they are sucking right now he’s with us

Yeah...

…Lakers are sucking right now. They’re like the Blazers this season; great at home, but bad on the road.

we're more fun

just say it

Lakers fan

but I live in the Bay Area and several miles away from San Jose.

welcome.

Oh, thanks

I joined your blog early this season, though.

haha i know...

but what i meant was welcome you didn’t bring all the douchey laker-ness with you. i have friends that are lakers fans and they can’t stop talking about how good they are and just shit talk everyone else…

Oh, thanks

Yeah, I hate how some Laker fans tend to be uptight and talk about how good their team is or used to be. But every fandom has their share of idiots, I guess.

I decided to follow you guys to see how you guys do this season. And man, you guys really are a fun team to watch despite your W-L record.

Monta THE Boss - February 13, 2012 reply

imo, this is our least entertaining season post-we believe

my opinion

Yeah, until the past few games

I think the Warriors are starting to find an identity.

they also get a day off

against the wizards

lakititi - February 13, 2012 reply

LOL

Sad but true… Wizards are the dumbest team in the NBA
Bobcats are the worst and least talented team in the NBA (Great job MJ!)
Hornets are being prepared for contraction

charlotte is tanking it....

…must be one of mj’s genius moves again. like kwame no.1 pick.

lakititi - February 13, 2012 reply

That makes sense

considering how horrible Wizards are.

Oh and I want to add

I guess the game vs. Wizards is gonna be a free win for them. So technically, they do get a day off like we do.

i think we go 2-3 the next 5 games

tolliver - February 13, 2012 reply

"Jackson also leaned on his bench in the fourth quarter, and his substitutes -- nicknamed the Dubstitutes for their recent contributions late -- again rewarded his risk."

From the espn summary of the game…..something must be done, there were some waaaaay better nicknames .

cam3racks - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm pleased but not satisfied with the 3 wins

well played / well klayed

cam3racks - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

poll

maybe we should have a poll with possible better nicknames.

gumy - February 14, 2012 reply

blazers are a very questionable team just because we tend to do really good against them: home or away.

now against okc and memphis…i’m not so sure. But i really think we have a good chance at memphis even if we win or lose at okc. Why? because the huge dot is zach randolph and he isn’t there. But yes they still have rudy and gasol. I still think with any given night we can outscore and defend-lightly to win games.

And what I have noticed is that we can really win games if one of the core 3 has a good night and the other have so-so games.

Past games: Monta,Curry,Monta,Lee. All of these games are with one of the core 3 playing well and the rest playing side roles, yet efficient.

5-20 is efficient for Monta?

I don’t want to know what inefficient is for him….

Nith - February 14, 2012 reply

Udoh +14 in 22 minutes
Biedrins -10 in 16 minutes

At a certain point you have to think Udoh’s overwhelmingly positive plus/minus results are no fluke. He’s like the anti-Monta! ;-P

He's been excellent

I say keep him coming off the bench. If it ain’t broke…

Doctor Kajita - February 13, 2012 reply

well, it could get better... at a certain point I think we are due for a Klay for Monta switch

as well as Beans for Udoh switch… If those two emerge as studs then we are suddenly becoming legit… Monta as a backup sounds intriguing

sound intriguing to Monta?

i know he won MIP playing heavy minutes off the bench lighting up other teams second units and playing the 4th but is this Monta with no Baron, J-Rich, Capt Jack, Barnes, Pietrus, Harrington in front of him or able to console him going to do this for the better of the team.

If Monta came off the bench or the Warriors found a point-forward or a big body defensive point guard they would be in so much better position

unless they have a Dwight, Bynum, etc at the center spot this Monta/Steph thing isnt going to work

Goddamn we really need MacGuire

He woulda shut down Frye and Morris. And I miss actual defense being played.

placid - February 13, 2012 reply

He would have been useful tonight for sure

Doctor Kajita - February 13, 2012 reply

First round of links is up

hey iq...i keep getting missing plug-ins using chrome on certain links. can you tell me what source it's from (like player???)

The only thing that requires a plug-in at this moment is the tvider audio

which I took from this place: http://t.co/7Y6ogidm

ahhh

thanks.

I use VLC player

the can playing anything

adoboguy - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Looks like the Warriors

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Klayed well tonight
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Whoa...

The “deal with it” meme in typographic form. Cool!

Monta THE Boss - February 13, 2012 reply

auto rec

thats....

(•_•)
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just too cool for school man…

isnt it backwards?

WHAT?

(⌐■_■)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(•_•)
what do you mean?

Added

gameflow

just got home...

Missed the game… Did beans get a double double?

Glad to see the warriors beat the suns. They usually out shoot us.

adoboguy - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Actually, they tried to pick and roll us to death

but we eventually adjusted and slowed that down

Nice!

adoboguy - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

You guys can play defense

That’s pretty awesome.

Oh man, Gortat and Nash were just killing us!

Duby Dub Dubs - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Denver, Houston, and Phoenix

Two out of the three teams you have beaten are teams with the playoffs seed. Wow! You guys are making progress.

Plus, the game before the streak started, we led OKC with 20 seconds to play. And the game before that, we led Sacramento with a minute to play. We’re that close to a 13-12 record and a 7-game winning streak!

Lol. That's true.

Yep

This is a confusing team… but the key will be keeping it up after the All star break, when our schedule is nuts

Yeah

I remember we crept close to .500 at the All Star break, then we fell apart when everyone came back from break.

Thats why I say that if we were like the other 29 teams in the league that have a Center we’d be dangerous.

Maybe Kwame will be ready in time for the PLAYOFFS…

Doctor Kajita - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Hard to get there without a C.

LOL...You're acting like Biedrins plays a lot of minutes.

He plays 16 mpg? Udoh and Lee are the centers and you say they’re good…but i digress.

They are ok but not at the C.

MonstaEllis - February 13, 2012 reply

They're about as good as you can expect besides the upper teir centers, which we won't get.

more importantly

their as good as we’re going to get without getting rid of Curry, which renders the “we’re one center away from being great” argument moot…

they're*

We dont need an upper tier center, we need size and to get better at rebounding. Kwame proved it.

MonstaEllis - February 13, 2012 reply

THIS

What were we with Kwame?

2-6?

What were we 7 games ago?

6-12

We clearly did not start the season well. But Kwame would have continued to help.

Not sure but check the rebounding numbers. I don't think Steph was playing either.

Added

John Henry Smith interviews Lee right after the game. Curry in the locker room.

Tank! Tank! Tank!

Huh?

WIN! WIN! WIN!

true torture - February 13, 2012 reply

no kidding.. its crazy

3 in a row!

OK cya in the playoffs!

Potential - February 13, 2012 reply

Added

nba.com highlights, recap.

Warriors have won 5 of last 7

Only losses to #1 Thunder on a game winning shot by Durant and an OT loss to Kings. Could easily be 7-0

Added

Mark Jackson at the podium. CSN highlights, recap. Udoh, Rush tweets. Rusty recap.

someone need to light a fire under beans

we can be a playoff team if he can do his part of ~8 pts and 8 rebs

Wreckonized - February 13, 2012 reply

It's not going to happen.

Three different coaches have tried, all have failed.

freeze his bank account

tolliver - February 13, 2012 reply

nullify his work visa too

Added

Monta in the locker room. Warriors.com audio, quotes.

games like this sure make me mad

can you imagine just how good we’d be if we’d drafted Kawhi Leonard over Klank Thompson, and hired Dwyane Casey over Mark Jackson, clearly one of the worst coaches in the league???

Dwyane Casey's doing a really good job in Toronto imo.

Not that MJ isn't good...

I like him too.

I agree, despite the poor record. I don’t think there’s enough evidence yet to suggest that one is doing better than the other. I was just really, really, really irked by the amount of fan posts and trolling comments after four games saying that MJ was the worst coach in the league and Klay was a bust.

I will admit I called Klay a bust.

Never said MJ was a bad coach besides at the time of the hiring…his announcing was still too fresh in my mind!

amen to that! and I was harsh on Klay initially too. I just think everything needs time to stew, and I’m glad that we’re seeing positive results on both of those rooks.

Jenkins doesn't look ready though.

sorry, I was referring to MJ as the other rook. jury’s still out on Jenkins (and Tyler). I’m fans of both, but no time to be playing them yet…we’ll see.

Klay is no bust, but I'd still rather have Leonard and keep Reggie.

Leonard has that potential to be an elite defender on the perimeter something we lack and is in high demand in the NBA. With that being said I would love to see what would happen if Klay got some more minutes and his role on the team was increased. I am especially pleased that Klay isn’t the awful defender I was told he was.

brutusbrutus - February 14, 2012 reply

Kawhi is no better of a defender than Mcguire.

If true

he is still better offensively, with the potential to get better.

Dom has no offensive game to speak of

Not knocking Dom, he is what he is, but comparing him to Kawhi as a player overall is overstating his actual worth.

As far as Klay v Leonard, I’m still unsure, but I REALLY like Klay

Biedrins sucks, but he's not making the team so bad like homers want you to believe.

Someone who plays 16 MPG is not the difference between you being a bad team and a playoff team. Top talent is the real reason we’re bad. We don’t have it.

furthermore, for as poor as he is on offense, he still rebounds well and plays some decent defense. And, to his credit, he understands his limitations on offense. It’s not like he’s averaging 10 shots a game.

He's still got the 5th best net +/- on the team...

SSS

I know...

Just pointing out he probably hasn’t killed the team this season.

not that he hasn't killed the team

the logic is…a good center could be playing ~30 min per game, along side guys like Udoh/Lee, while helping us defend and rebound far better…and being a factor offensively

Would be nice to not be 30th in rebounding and to actually be able to 1 on 1 defend some of the better centers in the league

It's not reasonable to expect getting a center like that...

There’s maybe 5-6 centers in the league right now that could provide that. 2 are on the Lakers.

Even Kawame Brown provided a lot of what we need….there are a lot of centers that would have a very positive impact on this team…

He also made the offense much worse because he's useless on that side of the ball.

He didn’t make much of a difference, granted, he’s better than Biedrins.

Dwight

Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Okafor
Varejao
Noah
Jefferson
Cousins
Gortat
Chandler
Dalembert
Nene (if he even is a C anymore)

Any of those 13 would suffice, and plenty more would still be better than Biedrins

These are the only one's who would make a real difference.

Dwight
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Okafor
~~Varejao~~
Noah
Jefferson
Cousins
Gortat
Chandler
~~Dalembert~~
Nene (if he even is a C anymore)

And by that, I mean having us in playoff contention.

We might already be in playoff "contention"

And we might be in 13th place.

Uwe Blog - February 14, 2012 via mobile reply

11th actually

we might be

but if we win tomorrow, we might trail the 8 spot by just 1 game

when you’re 1 game out of the playoffs, you’re definitely in “contention”

Healthy Varejao

Healthy Varejao would make a big diffference. Awesome defender, great hustle, and average offensive player. He is the 1 of the reasons why cleveland is doing good.

DaveinSJ - February 13, 2012 reply

the way dalembert is playing

he’d have us in playoff contention. same with cousins

dalembert has been terrible lately...

bigkino217 - February 14, 2012 reply

he gets the job done defensively

and scores efficiently (with minimal output)

I'd add McGee to that list

dont like McGee

Just saying

He would make this team a lot better right now…and personally I like him under the right coaching/team situation, still has a TON of untapped potential

I think its easier to teach yourself how to play winning basketball than have someone else do it.

This is especially true of someone who is already 24. If you can’t figure it out on your own, that definitely something about your basketball IQ (or lackthereof)

but he's right

that was referring to defending and rebounding better than Beans. right there gets rid of half of your list. being a factor offensively takes away a few as well.

oops, accidentally replied to the wrong post

my bad

if we're playing that game...

I can make lists similar to that that would be an upgrade at every position we have, so….color me confused, I guess.

we're not playing that game

he said there was 5 or 6

I showed him that I didn’t think so

I didn’t say we had any means to acquire any of those guys

but he's right

that was referring to defending and rebounding better than Beans. right there gets rid of half of your list. being a factor offensively takes away a few as well.

10 of the 13 average double digit points

he left Noah. he’s one of the 3 that doesn’t. Dalembert (worst player on the list) and Okafor (2nd worst) are the others.

Every single other player there is a better rebounder/defender than Beans.

At most, you can take off 2.

those players average more points

because they play more minutes with better passing PGs.

sure, Varejao is better offensively than Biedrins. but he’s not a factor, per se, when you consider the minutes and Kyrie Irving.

as for better rebounders, here are a list of players from that list that are averaging worse defensive rebounding rates:
Okafor
Noah
Chandler
Dalembert
Nene

and worse offensive rebounding rates:
Gasol
Jefferson
Nene

so your argument doesn’t totally hold water.

bradyk2 - February 14, 2012 reply

so your argument doesn’t totally hold water.

but this paper cup does!

Kyrie has not been that great of a passer. Numbers wise especially. 5.2 asts to 3.1 turnovers is not good. the rest I don’t care

Sure.

If Biedrins were giving us a consistent 23 good minutes a game (rather than the inconsistent 17 he has been giving us) that would go a long way towards helping this team in the areas where we desperately need help.

Ronaldinho - February 14, 2012 reply

Yes ... and no.

It’s not like that SSS is completely at odds with what we’ve seen from him this season using the eyeball test.

When he’s been playing well (which has not been every game!) he’s rebounding, playing post defense, and blocking shots. Those are things this team desperately needs. I think because the things he’s doing well don’t translate into everybody’s favorite stat (PPG baby!) that people tend to think he had a bad game even when he didn’t.

And it doesn’t help that he still seems to be taking at least one game in every three, and possibly more, completely off.

Ronaldinho - February 14, 2012 reply

We think he had a bad game

because he usually does have a bad game. At this time it’s time to give up on Biedrins. it’s ridiculous how to coaches need to work so hard to build up his “confidence”. Biedrins does not want to play in the NBA, plain and simple. He should have been amnestied.

*the coaches

He only ever plays with the starters?

That’s not that impressive.

Why is it better than all of our starters besides Curry by a good amount?

It could be completely random but I don’t think it is…

Because he only ever plays with ALL 4

The other 4 starters play without each other all the time, especially Lee and Monta.

They also play more minutes for what so far has been an under-.500 team. So it’s expected that in net plus/minus, they would be more negative than him.

seeing as most teams have better starters than us, and we have a better bench than most teams

i would expect someone who only plays with our starters against the opposing starters to have a negative +/-

bigkino217 - February 14, 2012 reply

Then how would you explain it?

not really trying to explain anything

just trying to point out that

He only ever plays with the starters? That’s not that impressive.

is not really a meaningful argument. Our starters are not very good compared to most other teams’ starters, so it’s not like he’s just riding the starters to a high +/-.

bigkino217 - February 15, 2012 reply

i guess the easiest explanation would be

beans plays less than the other starters, so his +/- is less negative than the others (since the warriors are a negative point differential team). steph is the only starter with a higher unadjusted +/- (and the only starter with a positive number)

bigkino217 - February 15, 2012 reply

sidenote, udoh has some beastly +/- numbers, unadjusted and adjusted

bigkino217 - February 15, 2012 reply

I don’t think anyone is blaming him for the losses but people are perplexed imagining what he can do for the team if…

Doctor Kajita - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

I don’t think anyone is blaming him for the losses

J-Ridah?

He's not so much blaming him

as he is pointing out the contrast between the ability of most teams’ starting C v Biedrins.

Which is true. If we could solid production for 30 minutes a night out of a legitimate center, we’d be a lot better.

Much much better. In the history of basketball I cant recall a team winning without a C unless they had 2 allstars on the roster.

That's not true.

But why does it matter what position?

position doesn't matter

ability does….rebounding/defending guys with size 1 on 1/running the pick and roll/blocking out….size…

I just have a feeling if we trade Monta or Steph for Hibbert..

J-Ridah’s new narrative will be, “Imagine this team with a good PG.”

Hey is this rumor true?

I heard that montadaboss became GovernorStephCurry

What does that have to do with anything?

I'm bored.

Somebody brought up that user earlier in the thread.

Someone with inside knowledge once told me that it was.

So now I’m just curious.

probably, they both act the same way and seems like montadaboss is gone?

WHY YOU NO ANSWER?

Yeah.

kthxbai

Do you care much? lol

naw

just happy my source is correct

Who's your source?

Sleepy?

naw

can’t reveal dems

what good is sources if everyone knoeeessss?

But it was common knowledge...

u kno im just messin w/ u right?

Well, now I do haha.

A good pg is easy to find. A servicable C is not.

Why can't the Lakers find one?

Why can’t the Heat get one? Why did the Bulls in MJ’s day not find one?

Um what are you talking about

MJ= GOAT, plus Pippen often was the “point forward.” No need to spend on a PG especially when they ran the triangle
Lakers also ran the TRIANGLE which did not require a PG, they didn’t try to pursue one
Heat do have a PG – Mario Chalmers. He’s playing well.

Mario Chalmers looks good because he spots up in a corner waiting for Wade or Bron to dish to him.

So you'd rather have the ball in some random player's hands

instead of Wade and LeBron – two of the best players in the league? Mario is doing exactly what the Heat want from their PG – make shots. No it’s not “traditional” but when you have two great perimeter players you don’t want a PG who needs the ball in his hands.

You put him on almost any other team and he's a backup at best.

Hence not a good pg.

Um my point is

the Heat don’t NEED a good PG, so they don’t try to get one. They don’t need another perimeter player – they have Wade and Lebron.

specious argument

since we’re talking about two of the five best players alive.

Heat not needing a good PG and anyone else not needing a PG are vastly different things.

bradyk2 - February 14, 2012 reply

Dude follow the thread

J-RIDAH said that it is easy to find PGs – Gov said that it isn’t and cited the Lakers and Heat as examples – I replied by explaining that the Lakers and Heat don’t need PGs due to coaching and the fact that they already have All-Star ball dominant perimeter players

hard to say

maybe with a bigger role, he performs comparably to the average starting PG

regardless, he is playing really well in the role he HAS been given

Nah Chalmers isn't that good

He knocks down shots. More of a SG really. Plays defense well.

u never know until u try

Any idea why we didn't amnesty Biedrins?

threat of latvian world domination

rec

hahahha!!

Duby Dub Dubs - February 14, 2012 reply

The Center is the most important position in the game.

I think "star" or "good player" is the most important position.

Just about every star C has a ring.

Cant say that for any other position.

Wilt Chamberlain, Dwight Howard, Patrick Ewing...but hey

wilt has ring

My bad...there's a few others.

mikan has ring

mountain man has ring
admiral has ring
dream has ring
moses has ring
skyhook has ring
diesel has ring
russell has ring
chairman of boards has ring

who not have ring?

lol moses twice

Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Webber, Artis Gilmore, Nate Thurmond, Lanier...

barkley C? no

K Malone C? no
Webber C? no
Artis past prime when enterred NBA (does have ABA championship)

nate good argument (unlucky to be playing his best at height of celtics dynasty)
lanier too

both probably fall outside the list of top 10 centers ever

Ewing probably only top 10 center w/o ring

Ewing came close many times.

Before Jordan’s retirement, I think Knicks were usually second or third best team in the league. Because of Jordan, there’s gonna be a whole class of HOF with no ring.

During Jordan’s retirement, the more dominant Center picked up 2 rings.

srsrs - February 14, 2012 reply

how is Ewing a top ten

but Thurmond is not ? because you saw one play in his prime, but not the other ?

I’m probably using the wrong sort of rating scale for this discussion.

In terms of dominance, it wouldn’t be fair to hold Ewing above Nate. I think I juxtaposed my belief of Ewing to be the overall player (regardless of generation) into the discussion of how most dominant centers have rings. In that discussion, I think you’re right. It’s more surprising that Thurmond doesn’t have a championship season than it is that Ewing didn’t, because in his time, just like Russell and Wilt, Thurmond dominated his competition in ways almost no center since has been capable of. I just think it’s clear he was not the player they were, nor the player that many centers from more recent decades were.

Why'd you include Dwight

Last I checked he was still in the league and only played 7 years

I don't really differentiate between PF and C. A big is a big.

There’s so many star bigs who haven’t won championships.

I was asking

why you included a player who only played seven years. His career is far from over.

pf patrol offensive block

c patrol defensive paint

I agree that you need a great defensive big to win. Look at the Celtics with Perkins/KG, Lakers with Bynum, Spurs with Duncan, etc. There’s a reason, in my opinion, that Malone, Ewing and Barkley went ringless while Rodman, Wallace and Perkins won rings.

Interior defense wins championships. Interior offense is just an added bonus.

bradyk2 - February 14, 2012 reply

I wholeheartedly concur my good man.

yes agree

Look how the Jazz fell off when Eaton retired before they got Greg Ostertag

Barkley will always be ripped for not giving his all on defense and is it a coincidence he doesnt have a ring?

Ewing, he came close several times but he had no help in the frontcourt. Thorpe/Hakeem and Duncan/Robinson trumped his NY frontcourt and lets not forget the many years he got ousted by the Bulls and before that the Celtics and Pistons

Brad Daugherty, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo… any of those three would be all stars right now… Oh yeah, Zo got one as Shaq’s back up, but never as the featured center. Yao Ming. If I give it 5 minutes I could think of a dozen more.

I guess clarification on what a “star center” is may be needed, and I expect a flurry of goalpost-moving excuses to pop up. But those guys were all stars with huge salaries.

Uwe Blog - February 14, 2012 via mobile reply

I hate counting Daugherty because his back gave out on him

but Mutumbo came close but he played on some bad/flawed teams

and Yao? again the injuries. who knows in 08 had he not broken his foot in game 3 of the semis would it been the Rockets taking out the Celtics big three?

I would address each of their individual issues and faults, but the real key here is something you addressed yourself:

I guess clarification on what a "star center" is may be needed

You didn’t notice that the guys on my list were all more than just “stars?” J-Ridah may not have heavily detailed what he meant as a “star center,” but when you’re looking at the context of All-Time, I assumed he meant guys who were truly great. All of the guys on my list were. None of the guys on your list were, each for their own reason, a few of which are very clear, and don’t even have to do with their own individual ability.

yes, but if the standard for what we need is a HOF center, well…

Uwe Blog - February 15, 2012 reply

I guess I would say an all star, especially a player who played multiple all star games (I believe Mutombo played in 8, Daugherty 5) should qualify as a star.

I didn’t include one time all stars like Magloire, Willis, etc. Just guys who were highly regarded for years. And it only took me about 30 seconds to come up with 4 names that I think are very valid.

Uwe Blog - February 15, 2012 reply

Doesnt work if you have a weak link in PG or C. Case study the Knicks.

Only 10 centers in the league are averaging 28+ minutes a game.

Every other center is 22 minutes or less.

sportsguy950 - February 14, 2012 reply

i think for me i just want him to play smarter and with more passion

if he could just play 8 rpg 3 bpg without fouling every 10 seconds and only taking 2 or 3 shots from rolling hard after setting screens, i dont care if he goes 0-6 from the line as long as he forces other teams to foul and get in the penalty

being one of the best conditioned big men used to be a plus for him. now he’s passed out in his feces in European hotels in the offseason.

he would play more if he didnt bring such and half-_ effort and just hacks like there is no tomorrow. If he’s not going to mentally check in then i dont want him to physically check in

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Good Win!!

And got my Bobble Head. Awesome Night!

RealityOCheck - February 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Guys, Biedrin's only started playing badly when we had Curry learn PG on the job. True or not?

MonstaEllis - February 13, 2012 reply

nice insight.

a light bulb went on. But Beans is a professional, needs to improve his game.

DaveinSJ - February 14, 2012 reply

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And that's it for tonight.

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LostHawkGSW - February 14, 2012 reply

You're welcome

How do you find the time/motivation to do this?

It’s impressive.

Because I have the mindset of a competitor

which means I don’t give up and I do it no matter how ugly things get.

r u rlly Jeremy Lin? lol

Hahahaha

no, i’m just competitive. I think it started with those math competitions I participated in back in elementary school.

Random thought

Is Mark Jackson a Hall of Fame player?

yes

borderline. but yes

wont get in first try

but he has the numbers to get in. he was also an innovator as he took “big body point guard” to a new level

since Biedrins still provokes a disproportionate share of chatter

folks might benefit from listening to that radio piece from 95.7 with Steinmetz. He comes up with a very plausible explanation : the Latvian is a hoops equivalent of a pro women’s tennis player, because he entered the grind of full time work and preparation to ‘play’ at a very young age in the Latvian athletes’ training system. the Euros have 16 yr. olds in their pro leagues. he’s burnt out at 25, and knows the best and most fun part of his career has passed [the Davis-S.Jackson-Nelson teams] . for those of you who don’t follow tennis and imagine that Steinmetz is calling Biedrins effeminate, just reflect on how young the women players are when they start winning big time [ T.Austin, about 16, Hingis won a grand slam at 16, Graf and Evert were ferocious competitors at 18 just to name a few] and many are retired or burnt out around the age Biedrins is. for that matter, McEnroe made it to the semifinals of Wimbledon singles at 18 and didn’t win a major after the age of 25.

Interesting thought

Maybe he is burnt out. Though it seems more like he just doesn’t care anymore.

Is it possible that his play dropped to rock bottom as soon as he lost a good playmaker in Baron feeding him easy baskets.

I'm just saying this because watching Nash reminded me how important a PG is to an average big man's (Gortat) contribution.

We still don’t have that kind of playmaker ever since Baron left.

the season after Davis left for LA

was one of Biedrins’ best — in some ways, ‘Capt Jack’ was great for the Latvian. Biedrins looked as engaged, animated, and like he enjoyed playing that season when he was healthy as much as in the two winning seasons with Davis there. Jackson led the team in assists, and one or two of the 6.5 he averaged per game were to Biedrins, who in turn looked for him when he snagged rebounds on either end.

Yeah, I thought that was a very plausible explanation as well.

And when you add in Biedrins comments about his injuries, and how he heard that you can feel the injuries when you get older, and he didn’t want to walk around with a cane, I can see why he’d be disillusioned with the game.

However, the one thing that it DOESN’T explain is why he’s scared of the ball and why he’s scared to play offense.

because big black guys will bully him under the hoop!

LOL

Love your avatar BTW

McNyan is so fly

KILL IT WITH FIRE

i like

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pretty pls? :)

part of being burned out

is how self consciousness of failure looms bigger than memories of, or even experiences of success, and that inhibition in turn decreases the positive feedback from success. Coming back from painful experiences of any sort is different for individuals. The basic premise of operant conditioning [a.k.a. conditioned behaviour, behavioural psychology a la B.F.Skinner or Pavlov] is how painful stimuli persist in affecting behaviour after they’ve been eliminated, to a greater degree than pleasurable ones. Which of course makes sense as a survival mechanism, and why strong will power is so valuable in competitive success. Will power gets burned out too. The level that Biedrins competes on is so fast and intense that hesitation or being self conscious and tentative makes success virtually impossible, and his awareness of that compounds the internal hurdle. He also had to recover from a serious and complicated injury while playing on losing teams, so he didn’t get any positive feedback from team success.

there was a pretty strong signal that Biedrins was burned out when he got kicked off his national team essentially for drunkenness and setting a poor example as a veteran leader ; he’d usually competed there over summers to stay in shape and tune up parts of his game, including free throws and perimeter shooting.

Euros have 16 yr. olds in their pro leagues ?? LOL

The only one who was 16 in ACB league was Rubio. But is true that we dont keep real talent playing against kids like your sistem do.

I think Dorell is absolute awfull in this sistem. He is a TO waiting to happen when the ball is his hands. Start McGuire and play him 6-7 minutes each part, then go for Klay and Rush.

Trade Dorell for a 20-30 firts round.

Spaniard - February 14, 2012 reply

LOL@ the story about the wizards fan trolling lebron jane about his mom and delonte west

AHAHAHAHAHAHA