I would definitely NOT trade steph for even the first pick this year. Steph has tons of value, so does a 1st, but a 1st round pick is a much bigger gamble than a known great commodity.
Tim Kawakami has a good summary of why we don’t have our 1st round pick this year. Bottom line is Mullen made a bad trade, and Larry Riley made it truly awful. I mean super awful.
Interesting some of the comments West had about really needing the pick this year.
Yep, that was a major bone-head move by Riley. He reduced the protection from top 11 to top 7 so we could trade a pick that we never ended up trading. Good job Riley!
I would love to have West come out of retirement full time to be the GM and groom Myers to be his replacement. Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening. I think we’re stuck with Riley for now.
Maybe Charlotte would entertain the idea of trading for Curry. Home town kid who fills the stadium every time he’s in it. For a team that is having trouble making money, Curry could be a huge marketing investment. And MJ does like to make money…
Maybe Charlotte would entertain the idea of trading for Curry.
might be a way to get maximum value from him but is there anyone in the draft we’d want more than Binky? Also have to recognize that other teams might be reluctant to trade for him as long as his ankle is a question mark?
Depends on how good we think this draft class will be. West says he sees 8 impact players. If we can get a good big guy, I think we’d consider the move.
But this draft is so deep THEY SAY. You wouldn’t trade Klay for a 10-15 pick in the most loaded draft since 03? Klay was the 11th pick in what they say was the worst draft since 2000.
there are “eight difference-making prospects among the draft crop”. We argue back & forth and debate the value or advanced stats but I’m we can all agree that West knows talent.
Tanking productively is the way to go. Give more floor time to the young guns. For example: trade Monta & increase minutes for Klay to further along his development. Stop wasting time on massaging Beans ego & start bumping up Tyler’s minutes.
If West believes there’s difference makers in this upcoming draft then who in the front office really has the knowledge or experience to say otherwise.
there are "eight difference-making prospects among the draft crop". We argue back & forth and debate the value or advanced stats but I’m we can all agree that West knows talent.
With the draft, I’m not sure too many stats come into measure. Obviously you can tell someone like Kemba is likely to be a chucker in the pros. Someone like Klay will be a quality shooter etc.
But so much of it is evaluating raw talent, and then it’s up to your coaching staff to bring out THE BEST in them.
Russell Westbrook in OKC is a prime example. Such a physical talent, so raw. But I could see him elsewhere flopping. The way he attacks rim and way they focus him on doing that, getting to line and defense, has been huge. Who’s to say John Wall wouldn’t do same if not more if he went to OKC?
If the player has the drive, is coachable, and the talent, the right staff can make them something in most situations.
With players being so young and raw these days, development is so much bigger than in the past. Riley does NOT notice this and it drives me crazy.
Someone like Kidd-Gilchrist has all the tools, all the drive, the coachability, but he really needs right situation. He could become a star if thinks align correctly. Players like Paul, Durant, etc. are rare (high skill guys)
I agree with you here. Aside from natural talent, I believe coaching and team/organization environment are the most important determinants of success. It’s a good thing that we have assembled a good coaching staff, and have reworked the organizational side from top to bottom, bringing in quality executives.
Even his rudy gay pick is a great indicator. He might not have developed fully, but he’s definitely a value at #8. Not so much a value at his ridiculous contract, but that’s not West’s fault.
I'd love it if the same thing happens with Perry Jones III
Highly touted blue chipper but with questions about his motor/drive. Same thing they said about Rudy Gay. Of course Gay is just one example of a guy who wasn’t seen as mentally tough who developed into a solid pro.
Love that West is putting pressure on gm to get a draft pick
Given that he is not a Monta fan and would probably love to see Klay start, I wonder if he thinks we can get back in this lottery by trading Monta for a dead weight on another team (Rashard Lewis, Turkolu, Vince) along with a pick.
I agree in that I think West views Monta as more of a trade asset than a building block going forward.
And I’ve got nothing to back that up than my gut reading West’s comments. Anyway, I think that Monta doesn’t get traded until summer. I think management will keep with the playoff push meme until they are really out of it. They’ll keep Monta to show that they remained consistent in their promise, however the schedule, injuries, shortened offseason, blah blah blah doomed them this season.
If they trade Monta in the offseason for a lottery pick they can get a 1st rounder (what West is talking about) while keeping in line with what Jackson and Lacob want. I think this will also be a prime time to dump Biedrins if he already isn’t dumped at the trade deadline.
Clearing the roster of Monta/Beans will then give the Warriors some extra change to throw at a center. Say we court Omer Asik. I’d feel much better with a nice blend of offense/defense while also going to a much more team oriented attack with dead eye shooters.
I also think there may be a chance they dangle Wright and Rush at the deadline to see what they can get. Wright is an asset still as a role player on a decent contract. Rush could be a chip we could cash in to get a low 1st rounder (maybe?). Although I don’t know if we’d be out of it enough for Riley and Co. to sell high on a couple of our precious few assets.
I'd trade anyone on this team for a top pick this year with no hesitation
All the best picks this year are all filled with potential and great defenders
dubzfan - February 12, 2012
u would trade curry for the number #2 (random number) pick in this draft?
one to one trade
ekpeudoh20 - February 12, 2012
Yes
And at 2 I’d pick one of the 2 top bigs
dubzfan - February 12, 2012
LOL glad you're not our GM
I would definitely NOT trade steph for even the first pick this year. Steph has tons of value, so does a 1st, but a 1st round pick is a much bigger gamble than a known great commodity.
LostHawkGSW - February 12, 2012
So your saying you wouldn't deal a flawed but very good scoring small combo guard
For potentially the next great defensive big? Or the next real big time center?
dubzfan - February 12, 2012
Steph dominated his peers in college. What pick in the 2012 draft you think will dominate at the next level?
J-RIDAH - February 12, 2012
Davis , at least on defense
He’s been dominant , if you just want college dominance Robinson has done that. He will either be a really good starter or a 6th man in the NBA IMO.
I think Drummond will stay another year and next year dominate , kinda like Blake
dubzfan - February 13, 2012
Mmmmmmmm I dunno, Anthony Davis looks really promising…
DubsFan408 - February 12, 2012
Tim Kawakami has a good summary of why we don’t have our 1st round pick this year. Bottom line is Mullen made a bad trade, and Larry Riley made it truly awful. I mean super awful.
Interesting some of the comments West had about really needing the pick this year.
Critical Roach - February 12, 2012
Yep, that was a major bone-head move by Riley. He reduced the protection from top 11 to top 7 so we could trade a pick that we never ended up trading. Good job Riley!
Pippen - February 12, 2012
If its not top 7 they can have it anyway.
J-RIDAH - February 12, 2012
I would love to have West come out of retirement full time to be the GM and groom Myers to be his replacement. Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening. I think we’re stuck with Riley for now.
Pippen - February 12, 2012
Goal for trade deadline: trade for a top 10 pick
Who do we have to offer…? Not much.
Any team with a likely top 10 pick would be foolish to include their pick in a trade for Ellis or Lee (aka players we should be willing to move).
Is it worth it to trade Curry for the pick? How about Klay? You be the judge (although Klay alone probably isn’t enough for a top 10 pick this year).
We really don’t have anything else…
dont_stop_believin' - February 12, 2012
Maybe Charlotte would entertain the idea of trading for Curry. Home town kid who fills the stadium every time he’s in it. For a team that is having trouble making money, Curry could be a huge marketing investment. And MJ does like to make money…
Slightly Hyphy - February 12, 2012
Maybe Charlotte would entertain the idea of trading for Curry.
might be a way to get maximum value from him but is there anyone in the draft we’d want more than Binky? Also have to recognize that other teams might be reluctant to trade for him as long as his ankle is a question mark?
Skeptic con Urquell - February 12, 2012
Depends on how good we think this draft class will be. West says he sees 8 impact players. If we can get a good big guy, I think we’d consider the move.
Slightly Hyphy - February 12, 2012
They got Kemba
I think they will use their pick
dubzfan - February 12, 2012
J-Rich got us a top 7 pick..
And that was after his knee surgery and poor season compared to his last few.
Potential - February 12, 2012
The issue there is that if we were to say try and deal Steph for the top pick or close to it most of those teams have a PG
Or at least a guard they are committed to like Charlotte, Washington and NJ. Nola I think would deal their pick for Curry and same for Detroit
dubzfan - February 12, 2012
Nola has a guard that they are commited to???
Dro50 - February 12, 2012
Oh nm i misread...ugh
Dro50 - February 12, 2012
You don't trade Curry for a pick unless its the #1 pick
You only trade Curry in a deal for a proven star.
Monta on the other hand could be dealt for a pick.
G-State - February 12, 2012
i think curry is the only player on the roster that can net a lotto pick.
I doubt Monta can get them a top 7
Xtremelink - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Yes, West knows best
He’s been alluding to it for a while. He wants to blow up the team and REBUILD.
tafkasam - February 12, 2012
Would you guys trade Ellis for a 10-15th pick?
Potential - February 12, 2012
I would. Not a knock on Ellis but I think this team's core just isn't good enough to anchor a winning team.
Curry + Monta + Lee = core 3 and not one of them can defend. Personally, I’d also get rid of Lee but I think he’s untradeable with that contract.
srsrs - February 12, 2012
No one is untradeable
Remember Maggette?
dubzfan - February 12, 2012
Much better contract, probably a better player.
GovernorStephCurry - February 12, 2012
Better player?
Maggette was just a flopper that gave nothing else but that, Lee at least can pass, score and board (sort of) and has a good rep
dubzfan - February 12, 2012
Maggette? lol
We got nothing for him. Not even expirings. Monta can garner more than that. Also he’s a much better player
tafkasam - February 12, 2012
oh, nm, lee
Again, lee is a much better player. Maggette only succeeded at pf, and his D + rebounding was atrocious there.
I also think Lee has more value on market, though it’s insanely diminshed by his contract.
tafkasam - February 12, 2012
I don't think Lee's better than Maggette.
GovernorStephCurry - February 12, 2012
Lee does a lot more to help your team win.
Now if it’s a dollars thing, thats different.
tafkasam - February 12, 2012
What?
As bad as Lee can be at times, or as bad as he was last season, he’s still a better player than Maggette lol.
Brownie13 - February 13, 2012
lol, whenever someone says a Warrior is un-tradable, I always think of Maggette.
kenntoe - February 12, 2012
No
Top 10 only
G-State - February 12, 2012
Nope. Monta is a stud that dominates when dialed in. Truth be told, I wouldn’t trade Klay for a 10-15th pick.
J-RIDAH - February 12, 2012
haha.
i wouldn’t either because Klay was our last pick and he’s cheap.
GovernorStephCurry - February 12, 2012
But this draft is so deep THEY SAY. You wouldn’t trade Klay for a 10-15 pick in the most loaded draft since 03? Klay was the 11th pick in what they say was the worst draft since 2000.
J-RIDAH - February 13, 2012
Picks #10-15 in the 2003 Draft
10- Jarvis Hayes
11- Mickael Pietrus
12- Nick Collison
13- Marcus Banks
14- Luke Ridnour
15- Reece Gaines
I’ll keep Klay.
dandubz - February 13, 2012
He's playing Devil's advocate lol
Brownie13 - February 13, 2012
I'd consider it day of draft
If their was a prospect we rated highly.
But for an arbitrary pick… not outside top 6-8 projected.
tafkasam - February 13, 2012
It'd have to be for a specific prospect.
GovernorStephCurry - February 13, 2012
Would you guys trade Ellis for a 10-15th pick?
No
Skeptic con Urquell - February 13, 2012
I think so
If we get cap space and the draft pick I would do it. I hope we can get better assets for him, but I think Curry and Monta are not a workable duo.
pericles31081 - February 12, 2012
According to West ..
there are “eight difference-making prospects among the draft crop”. We argue back & forth and debate the value or advanced stats but I’m we can all agree that West knows talent.
Tanking productively is the way to go. Give more floor time to the young guns. For example: trade Monta & increase minutes for Klay to further along his development. Stop wasting time on massaging Beans ego & start bumping up Tyler’s minutes.
If West believes there’s difference makers in this upcoming draft then who in the front office really has the knowledge or experience to say otherwise.
srsrs - February 12, 2012
With the draft, I’m not sure too many stats come into measure. Obviously you can tell someone like Kemba is likely to be a chucker in the pros. Someone like Klay will be a quality shooter etc.
But so much of it is evaluating raw talent, and then it’s up to your coaching staff to bring out THE BEST in them.
Russell Westbrook in OKC is a prime example. Such a physical talent, so raw. But I could see him elsewhere flopping. The way he attacks rim and way they focus him on doing that, getting to line and defense, has been huge. Who’s to say John Wall wouldn’t do same if not more if he went to OKC?
If the player has the drive, is coachable, and the talent, the right staff can make them something in most situations.
With players being so young and raw these days, development is so much bigger than in the past. Riley does NOT notice this and it drives me crazy.
Someone like Kidd-Gilchrist has all the tools, all the drive, the coachability, but he really needs right situation. He could become a star if thinks align correctly. Players like Paul, Durant, etc. are rare (high skill guys)
tafkasam - February 12, 2012
I agree with you here. Aside from natural talent, I believe coaching and team/organization environment are the most important determinants of success. It’s a good thing that we have assembled a good coaching staff, and have reworked the organizational side from top to bottom, bringing in quality executives.
Slightly Hyphy - February 12, 2012
I’m we can all agree that West knows talent --> I'm sure we can all agree that West knows talent.
srsrs - February 12, 2012
Yep
Even his rudy gay pick is a great indicator. He might not have developed fully, but he’s definitely a value at #8. Not so much a value at his ridiculous contract, but that’s not West’s fault.
tafkasam - February 12, 2012
I'd love it if the same thing happens with Perry Jones III
Highly touted blue chipper but with questions about his motor/drive. Same thing they said about Rudy Gay. Of course Gay is just one example of a guy who wasn’t seen as mentally tough who developed into a solid pro.
kenntoe - February 12, 2012
Love that West is putting pressure on gm to get a draft pick
Given that he is not a Monta fan and would probably love to see Klay start, I wonder if he thinks we can get back in this lottery by trading Monta for a dead weight on another team (Rashard Lewis, Turkolu, Vince) along with a pick.
Togna Balogna - February 12, 2012
I agree in that I think West views Monta as more of a trade asset than a building block going forward.
And I’ve got nothing to back that up than my gut reading West’s comments. Anyway, I think that Monta doesn’t get traded until summer. I think management will keep with the playoff push meme until they are really out of it. They’ll keep Monta to show that they remained consistent in their promise, however the schedule, injuries, shortened offseason, blah blah blah doomed them this season.
If they trade Monta in the offseason for a lottery pick they can get a 1st rounder (what West is talking about) while keeping in line with what Jackson and Lacob want. I think this will also be a prime time to dump Biedrins if he already isn’t dumped at the trade deadline.
Clearing the roster of Monta/Beans will then give the Warriors some extra change to throw at a center. Say we court Omer Asik. I’d feel much better with a nice blend of offense/defense while also going to a much more team oriented attack with dead eye shooters.
I also think there may be a chance they dangle Wright and Rush at the deadline to see what they can get. Wright is an asset still as a role player on a decent contract. Rush could be a chip we could cash in to get a low 1st rounder (maybe?). Although I don’t know if we’d be out of it enough for Riley and Co. to sell high on a couple of our precious few assets.
kenntoe - February 12, 2012
He's going to trade Steph Curry to the Lakers for their second round draft pick and Luke Walton.
Newton Pham - February 20, 2012
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