i say we create a "PLAY Tyler and Jenkins movement" so as to not repeat our same mistakes made with Lin..
Just like Klay choked for a while, we needed to give him enough time to work through the initial jitters.. They gotta be kept in the game for extended minutes.. 5 or 10 minutes even goes by like a BLUR its unreal…
It’s not much of a gamble when the alternatives are Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas. It’s not gambling when there isn’t any thing to lose. They lost 11 of their last 13, so they were willing to try anything by the time they reluctantly started Lin. He was the last resort. They figured they’d give him a look before they had to decide whether they were going to guarantee his contract. It happened to work out and now they look like geniuses.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Tyler and Jenkins getting more minutes, but the season is still young. We knew Tyler was going to be a project and probably wouldn’t get much time right away.
Its clear that we are not on the path to playoff action this year UNLESS something changes..
The only thing that can change now is that we discover we have some hidden gems in Jenkins or Tyler.. We then know who we got. If not then we continue our current path or maybe even tank slightly.. Where would we be now if we had the 1 , 2 punch in curry and lin at point guard… wow that would be pg’s that could start for alot of teams .. our pg spot would be set for championship.. time to work on 2-5 now….
The season isn’t even half over and the Warriors are only 3.5 games out of the 8 spot. Jackson and Lacob made bold predictions about making the playoffs; do you really think they are going to give up right now? Jackson is going to put the team out there that he believes gives them the best chance to win. That being said, I wouldn’t mind seeing Tyler getting some more minutes though. Rebounding is one of the team’s major issues, and he is the one guy on the roster that could possibly give them some help in that area.
Huh? after winning five straight, they are still two games under .500, which in the crappy East means spot #8. Do not underestimate the power of Melo to destroy whatever shot they have. Not because he is a bad guy or anything, but it is how he plays. They are still a deeply flawed team. It says here that the Knicks dont make the playoffs and Lin comes back to earth. Which, by the way, is the same place that referred to Lin as a career backup. But c’mon, NONE of you guys knew that, nor did anyone else.
Reading the CBA rules, apparently any player with three years or less experience is a RFA, as long as a qualifying offer is extended. So the Knicks will keep Lin.
he might play better when he gets back. the whole team should actually. Melo included.
even if Lin turns out to be a career average starting PG, and not the star he’s playing like right now, switching from Shumpert at PG to Lin should improve their offense greatly. No more Melo point-forward. No more Amare being lost.
he was clearly never a PG. he’s so athletic, but with the ball in his hands all the time, he was forced to shoot off the dribble jump shots all the time
I wouldn’t (8-24 fg, 6 tovs). But I’ll always take the bottom line: W. 5th in a row. Plus, as you note, Lin gets huge props for continuing to play aggressively when he was clearly gassed, and for doing a lot to help the team even though his shot wasn’t falling. That was a hallmark of his in his short stints with the Ws. He’s just a very active player, on both ends, and on the glass.
That would be a cosmically perfect trade. For it to have any chance of happening, we’d have to hope Lin seriously regresses, and Jenkins gets some real PT (and makes the most of it).
Meh, who am I kidding … no way it happens. Tonight’s Wolves game was their best attended Wolves game this season. Today I was in NYC Chinatown and walked by two bars touting Knicks TV games with hastily-made Jeremy Lin signs. Talent aside, Lin-sanity is now pure marketing gold. No team’s front office would be foolish enough to give that up. :-(
It’s about having the right player in the right position, the Monta + Curry back court will give us 20 wins and then draft udoh, cause we keep trying to make up the undersize back court with size
We’d still be 6’3" at SG, whether Monta or Curry started there.
You’re still not realizing that until 1 of these guys is traded, that our starting backcourt is set. They wouldn’t have replaced either of them with a player who went on a 5-10 game tear with Curry out.
Look at Ramon Sessions. He plays great as a starter. Has with every team he’s played for. Yet he’s still a backup because he’s never played for a team that was bad enough at PG.
Lin was in the right situation in NY, who had 0 PGs. Anywhere else, he doesn’t get starters minutes, even if they like what they see.
just cause you are 6"3 doesn’t mean you should play point guard AKA Monta, and NO Westbrook gets plenty of rebound being 6"3 unlike our current back court
he doesn’t make our backcourt any bigger. it has nothing to do with being to tall to play PG. it has to do with being the same height as the other guards. we end up the same size in our backcourt either way
Did I say anything about his making our back court bigger? all I said, if we traded Curry of Westbrook (which gets loads of rebound from the 2 guard spot) and Monta for Rudy Gay, we can have a team with everyone playing their natural position, Curry is not a true PG, he wants to hit home run on every one of his passes also doesn’t have the strength or ANKLE to take punishment
In the future, please cite DraftExpress when discussing player measurements. That’s considered a reference source compared to Yahoo or any other website.
i would have cited draft express for their heights as well
(and I did cite it for their standing reaches)
BUT
usually I take the absence of a height w/shoes to mean that’s all they have, and they just put it in the wrong place. none was listed for Lin
how is it that they ended up with a height w/o shoes, but not with? doesn’t make sense.
when one is missing, it usually just means the player didn’t submit to such significant testing as other more prominent players in their draft class, and that they go with the only measurement they have, even if the put it in the wrong place
considering almost every player has an extra inch tacked onto their height beyond height without shoes, it just wouldn’t make sense at all for Lin to be 6’3" at most every site if he was actually 6’3" exactly without shoes.
Standing reach is probably one of the most overrated things in the NBA
Standing reach, especially for point guards, isn’t going to suddenly help them finish at the rim or anything like that. It won’t help you see over a defense.
not impressed enough to change everything to accommodate him.
Well, if they dumped Monta, they could give Lin 20-25 minutes or so, backing up Curry at PG — or playing full games if and when Curry tweaked his ankle — and allowing Curry to slide over to SG for 10-12 minutes a game. Throw in a few more minutes a night for Klay and Rush. I like that better than the guard rotation they have, and it’s a helluvalot cheaper.
Once again, they’ve inexplicably dumped a cheap, productive, adequately sized, efficient guard (Morrow and Reggie say hi) while sticking with Monta and allowing him to chuck the team into oblivion.
I'm not even arguing that Monta and CUrry is a good thing
I’m saying, our management, even in deciding to keep him, would have kept him as a backup. They wouldn’t have traded Monta or Curry to get him more playing time. We don’t even know that he’d be playing the same with us they way he is NY.
so Lin can provide the penetration (such a dirty word LOL) as Monta which is the main reason we hang on to him, since the rest of our team can’t really break down the other team’s defense, YOU TOO CURRY. I rather have Lin that’s willing to pass the ball out instead of Monta trying to score every single lay up
The front office can’t make decisions based on 5 games.
It would have been a good thing if we kept LIn
But you cannot be sure that he’d play the same way here, or that he’d even be given the chance. Assuming both of those things happened, you still don’t trade your “stars” based on 5 games.
it was clear last year that it made no sense to play Acie over him
but the argument is that he wouldn’t have gotten starters minutes here either way. He wouldn’t be the phenomenon that he is now. He’d have just been a decent backup PG, even if he played well (he might not of, it could be his situation in NY allowing him to succeed, we don’t know)
but it wouldn’t have been world-changing for us to keep him. I’m not happy we let him go. He’s showing he’s a really good player. But he wouldn’t have been given the chance to do what he’s doing in New York.
how about we ask the Knicks right now, what it takes to trade for Lin, you think they want a Curry with 1 ankle or Monta that shoots as much as Melo? Ramon Sessions never had a big game
sigh. i remember when ridnour got hurt one year and was expected to be out for a couple weeks. sessions promptly put up 44/5/12, 26/4/7, and 15/7/17 in consecutive games before ridnour miraculously returned early from his injury and was immediately reinserted as the starting PG
I watch the entire T’wolves game, if you just wanna look at someone’s stats then Kevin Love is awesome, 31 and 21 and 10 FT, guess what all his FT comes from loose ball during a defensive rebound, he didn’t create jack in the paint, 31 points, he didn’t command a double team on offensive or beat his man one on one, and get burn 3 times on defensive by 3 steps, but great Stats he had
but somehow you’re an expert about how he passes the eye test after 1 game. 1 game in fact, that most casual observers are already dubbing his worst game of the 5. it was clearly worse than the last 2 he played
I pointing out Stats can easily be misleading, no I watch all 5 of Lin’s game, I’m trying to point if you didn’t watch the T’wolves game, you would thought Love had a great game, but he barely pass the eye test
I’ve seen Ramon Sessions game, I don’t care about the Stats, you can always high light someone’s stats and make em look good AKA Kevin Love, Lin pass the eye test for starting PG, Ramon Sessions is just another Royal Ivy they don’t pass the eye test
you knew he was going to play 35 minutes in the game New Jersey? when he wasn’t the starter and had been playing almost no minutes for the Knicks prior to that?
well Brownie thinks like the Warriors management, let’s keep playing Monta + Curry make our back court super undersize and then keep drafting Dwight Wright, Udoh and Jermine Tyler to make up the size.
I see what you mean. You are probably right. They are both up there, in terms of stats, at comparable points in their careers.
I responded the way I did because you spoke of the entire season under Nellie. Lin is outdoing that in terms of stats in this 5 game stint. I am not convinced, however, that Curry, who is a great shooting guard, will ever be the PG that Lin already is.
Sometimes when guys get inserted into the lineup, they start on a tear and come back to earth.
My point, this entire time, is that even if he had a couple great games as a Warrior, our coaches and management would have shown patience with him. You can’t expect a guy like Lin to keep this up. It’s possible that he does. But without any other evidence of him being great at the NBA level, you can’t change your whole team to accommodate him with starters minutes. Curry and Ellis are 2 guys the front office value. If Lin played like that for 5 games, they’d value him too, but more than Steph or Monta
Let me be blunt with you, because I have been treating Steph very generously in deference to his tremendous effort to convert to PG:
I do not think Steph will ever be a great PG. Right now, Lin has demonstrated better PG skill sets than Steph has the last 2 years. I am not talking stats, alone. I am talking about everything else that a PG does.
But most evidence says Steph is the better player. Maybe not the better PG, but the better player.
Considering Lin has 5 games under his belt, it just doesn’t make sense, even if he did it for us, to have moved Steph or Monta to the bench, or trade either of them. Not after 5 games.
The key would be, though, that we would have had Lin the rest of the year to see if he really was a better player to put at PG.
But those are circumstances that didn’t and won’t ever happen. We don’t know what would have happened if we kept him.
I agree with you as far as Steph being a better shooter. Better player, not all that evident. Better shooting guard, possibly, yes.
Lin is definitely a better PG using this 5 game sample. I agree with you, it is silly to compare off this sample; but, if we must, then the conclusion in favor of Lin at PG is inevitable. We did have Lin for a year. We had Steph hurt. We did not use Lin at PG during that time.
That could be. On the other hand, there’s nothing Lin has done, in college or the pros, to suggest that he’s any more of a “true PG” than Curry. As amazing as Lin has been this season, his assist-to-turnover ratio is significantly worse than Curry’s. They’re both good passers and balhandlers who are also comfortable being their teams’ primary scoring options. I consider them both PGs, but neither is remotely Stockton or Nash. Not yet, anyway.
no one said Lin is on pace to be the next Stockton or Nash, as far as body goes, if we play Curry Lin’s minute right now, I would have to donate both of my ankles to Curry in 3 days
Meh. I’m no doctor, but I don’t think re-tweaking or not re-tweaking the ankle has anything to do with total minutes played. None of the re-tweaks we’ve seen so far looked to have anything to do with fatigue.
Plus, it should probably be noted that Lin hasn’t really gotten any more burn than Curry has. Obviously it’s not fair to compare their seasonal averages since Lin just got his first start five games ago; but even during this crazy five-game run, Lin hasn’t really been getting excessive PT. He’s played over 40 minutes only once.
Well, he was very efficient in the Ivy League. In the pros, he’s been moderately efficient overall (bad last year, great this year), though the sample size is still tiny. There’s really not enough of a book on Lin’s shooting efficiency to remember or forget.
Small sample size notwithstanding, he does seem to be really adept at getting himself to the FT line, which probably bodes well for his scoring efficiency. He may never be Steph-Curry-efficient (I just don’t think he has he shooting touch for it) but he could easily be Monta-Ellis-efficient, or even Dwyane-Wade-efficient.
College
He missed way less in college than Stephen
Er, what? You’re talking about missed games? Where did you get the idea that Curry missed a lot of games in college? Ignoring the fact that Curry’s senior in college he was in the NBA, Curry played significantly more minutes per season in college than Lin did.
that is exactly the mentality that is keeping the Warriors from properly using their talent and becoming winners….
I don’t disagree with this, but I think if you’re going to advocate for the Warriors keeping Lin, it does behoove you to propose a rotation (or player transaction) that actually allows him to play meaningful minutes.
I gave my solution above (and in another thread): dump Monta. Occasional Monta-zing games notwithstanding, it’s now been four years since Monta was a consistently efficient and positively-productive player. Tear off the freaking band-aid already.
all that said I would swap Jenkins in as the primary backup for pg in the even of injury. And also intentionally sit Curry for a game once per month and thrust the duties onto Jenkins.. By the end of the season Jenkins will not be a mystery , most likely he shows some promise or some serious flaws.. but not a mystery like Lin apparently was (even tho there was plenty of evidence to even the casual observer)
it seems to me that he doesn’t really care if the paint is packed or if they’re sagging off of him. he takes the jumper to keep them honest, but also doesn’t let off the gas just because they’re giving him the jumper.
if he gets the ball coming off a Melo double-team, I expect him to only become more aggressive
I’m just saying the Knicks are just as desperate as us, but at least they are willing to try some one out instead of using Tony Douglas AKA Acie Law in disguise till the starters get back, our coaching staff would ride the Acie Law train till we are worse than the Bobcats
Yeah, it was gross watching that dirty, cheating, pitiful excuse for an NBA player maul Lin all game long and never get called for it. Poetic justice that he embarrassed himself and watched his team lose.
You see the “GSOM crew” down below? Well, for the names with an envelope beside them, you can click the envelope and then you can email the person. Not everyone can be emailed, though.
I’d try emailing olympicmike, he seems to be the only person with an email address who regularly uses GSOM.
I gave you the warning, so you can direct the complaint to me. Or, as doubleteapot notes, you can write to any of my colleagues with a posted email address.
As I said, in a game thread like this, one-liners are cool, because it’s important to be timely. And even the occasional non-game-thread one-liner is cool, so long as it’s exceptionally wise and/or witty. But you’ve been dropping an excessive number of sloppily written one-liners throughout the board, in game threads and elsewhere. As I’ve said before, GSoM is not a chat room. When there’s not a game going on, you’re expected to take the the time to collect your thoughts and compose them into a few thoughtful, coherent posts. Thanks.
[Obviously, it’s not about the fact that you criticize the front office, or the players. I don’t think there’s a single member of the GSoM team who doesn’t regularly do the same!]
Short for “Lafayette.” I remember him well — heck, he played as recently as ‘93/94! Unique, versatile player — sort of a homeless man’s Oscar Robertson. He once put up a 31-12-16-6 line against the Bulls, and in his prime came pretty close to averaging a triple double in a season.
yeah, he’s an executive for the Kings, was drafted by the Blazers – I watched him play. Just guessing – did you just read the Nate Silver blog in the NY Times?
It’s weird reading about sports on a political blog. But at least now I also know that the Republican primaries are going to be long and drawn out but not a fight to the finish because historically it is rare for a presidential primary to come down to the wire.
i say we create a "PLAY Tyler and Jenkins movement" so as to not repeat our same mistakes made with Lin..
Just like Klay choked for a while, we needed to give him enough time to work through the initial jitters.. They gotta be kept in the game for extended minutes.. 5 or 10 minutes even goes by like a BLUR its unreal…
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
New York is actually in the playoff hunt, and yet they STILL gambled on giving Lin some real playing time
in order to see what they have in him.. They get it.. And this “gamble” with giving him time obviously didnt even result in any losses..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
It’s not much of a gamble when the alternatives are Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas. It’s not gambling when there isn’t any thing to lose. They lost 11 of their last 13, so they were willing to try anything by the time they reluctantly started Lin. He was the last resort. They figured they’d give him a look before they had to decide whether they were going to guarantee his contract. It happened to work out and now they look like geniuses.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Tyler and Jenkins getting more minutes, but the season is still young. We knew Tyler was going to be a project and probably wouldn’t get much time right away.
Pippen - February 11, 2012
Its clear that we are not on the path to playoff action this year UNLESS something changes..
The only thing that can change now is that we discover we have some hidden gems in Jenkins or Tyler.. We then know who we got. If not then we continue our current path or maybe even tank slightly.. Where would we be now if we had the 1 , 2 punch in curry and lin at point guard… wow that would be pg’s that could start for alot of teams .. our pg spot would be set for championship.. time to work on 2-5 now….
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
The season isn’t even half over and the Warriors are only 3.5 games out of the 8 spot. Jackson and Lacob made bold predictions about making the playoffs; do you really think they are going to give up right now? Jackson is going to put the team out there that he believes gives them the best chance to win. That being said, I wouldn’t mind seeing Tyler getting some more minutes though. Rebounding is one of the team’s major issues, and he is the one guy on the roster that could possibly give them some help in that area.
Pippen - February 12, 2012
New York is actually in the playoff hunt
Huh? after winning five straight, they are still two games under .500, which in the crappy East means spot #8. Do not underestimate the power of Melo to destroy whatever shot they have. Not because he is a bad guy or anything, but it is how he plays. They are still a deeply flawed team. It says here that the Knicks dont make the playoffs and Lin comes back to earth. Which, by the way, is the same place that referred to Lin as a career backup. But c’mon, NONE of you guys knew that, nor did anyone else.
felix botticelli - February 12, 2012
Hmmm
Reading the CBA rules, apparently any player with three years or less experience is a RFA, as long as a qualifying offer is extended. So the Knicks will keep Lin.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
If I were dead, I’d be rolling in my grave
Doctor Kajita - February 11, 2012 via mobile
i ordered the NBA League Pass just to watch Lin
linsanity!!!
QualityOverQuantity - February 11, 2012
Ditto. I ordered a jersey for me and a tee for gf, too.
callahan - February 11, 2012
The Knicks are cracka-LIN
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Watching on a feed from my mac mini hooked up to the plasma. Not bad…
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
RIP Whitney Houston
ClipperBEAST - February 11, 2012
tragic
She was so young.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
jesus lin anyone see that stepback?
Lam1234 - February 11, 2012
Never saw him hitting that shot.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
Target Center has a very scattered feel to it
With two completely different logos going, plus the alternate jerseys tonight.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
Wow NY is down
Lin also has to learn to hold the ball for the final shot.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
THIS IS THE WARRIORS SITE! GO POST ON NICKS SITE!
deja8 - February 11, 2012
I find this ironic
Doctor Kajita - February 11, 2012 via mobile
It's deja-vu all over again.
callahan - February 11, 2012
LOL
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
I think it's the GoldLIN State Warriors site now.
callahan - February 11, 2012
15 more in the first half
Bigmouth - February 11, 2012
Nil chance on Lin
TooShort2Play - February 11, 2012
Well Lin was gonna lose a game eventually
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Lin looks tired on the back to back.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Strange game
Well it’s not like Lin could play at such a high level for the entire season
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Is it me or does Lin look a little slow running there? Tired?
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
back to back
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
yeah, that's what i figured
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
lin wordplay
Divine Lintervention, and Teenage Mutant Linja Turtles are mine.
acmastrpiece - February 11, 2012
I can see the TWolves have clogged the paint, preventing Lin from getting to the hoop there
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
To add on to this thought
Now I wonder if THIS is what Smart is referring to: knowing where to pass when you get clogged in the paint
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Lin sure is trying to thread the needle too much
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
That's a very hard phone number to remember
777-7777
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Guess the book is out on Lin. Clog the paint and make him go left.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Doesn't seem to be working, though
Bigmouth - February 11, 2012
They have to try something.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Ouchhhhh
Should’ve been an assist
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
Aww, I think a fresh, rested Lin would have finished that fast break
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
At least speaking for this 3rd qtr
Despite Lin not having a dominating qtr, Knicks teammates finding ways to score and get close
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Hah, Knicks getting some lucky long rebounds
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Awww, Lin in-and-out on that 3
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Hmm, no rest for Lin to start the 4th
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
wow
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
That was a good move
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
"That's why fans boo him sometimes"
Harsh words, Clyde
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
Jeffries plays hard
He leaves it on the floor every night
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
NY looks a half step slow on the back to back. Going to need more than a big night from Lin tonight.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Quite a close game
I wonder how Lin will play with Amare. Amare comes back Monday.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Has Rubio been that aggressively defending Lin the entire night?
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
this
just about to say the same thing.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Execellent TWolves defense against Lin there
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Rubio's pretty good
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
not just Rubio
their big guy on the inside stopped Lin after Lin came around that screen
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Made him go left.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Do you think he can adjust and get better with the left side?
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
he is tired too...
No legs on the back to back.
The book is still out.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
That does seem like the bigger problem tonight. But I feel the Timberwolves prepared for him better than the other four teams.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
More film to see.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Did I just hear Tyson yell "wtf" on that foul call?
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Gotta wonder about Lin's conditioning
Shortened schedule, spent the start of the year on the bench
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
that's true
Dantoni can’t get Baron Davis back fast enough
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Honestly Baron will be back VERY late
His return keeps getting delayed… that tells me his back is really bothering him
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
This is probably more than he's ever played, right?
Still not too much different from a rookie, adjusting to NBA pace.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
Lin's in shape and has a great motor. His legs were tired tonight. You can't help that. Still got 20/8/6
callahan - February 11, 2012
Btw, what happened to Anthony Tolliver?
Wasn’t he starting for the TWolves earlier?
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Saw him there on the bench.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
Pekovic gets the start, right?
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
guess they had a reality check.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Nope, I'm wrong
Tolliver has NOT started. But I do remember him finishing a game against the Heat earlier in the season when they almost beat them.
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
And the Knicks won't go away
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
miscommunication on that play
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
TWolves are really trapping Lin's driving lanes
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
I don't think Lin has rested in the 2nd half
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
He should. I don't think so either though.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
Fire the coach...
How can you treat a super star like this….???!!!
LOL
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
He's riding him like Secretariat again haha
D’Antoni owes Lin his continued employment.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
Fields is going to have to get it done tonight..
Rubio is getting it done.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
What is Novak's range
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Amazing
The Knicks are still in this.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Once again, a rested Lin would have finished that
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Amazing, the Knicks are now only down 1
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Oooooh, Rubio just stuffed Lin on that drive
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Wow, Knicks now up 1
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Lin having first bad shooting game 8-22, 6 assists, 3 steals, 6 TOs
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Fields can’t help….Lin has to do it all.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
They're really missing Amare
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
I guess you hadn't been watching them earlier in the season?
Amare had been absolutely terrible.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Oh, no I hadn't
Was he not rebounding? I think Lin could be a the point guard to boost him otherwise. But again, hadn’t been watching the games.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
His offense is the problem.
Not aggressive and not good. His defense and rebounding were actually more on par than average for him.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
maybe lin's P&R game will help him out
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
It probably would.
he might play better when he gets back. the whole team should actually. Melo included.
even if Lin turns out to be a career average starting PG, and not the star he’s playing like right now, switching from Shumpert at PG to Lin should improve their offense greatly. No more Melo point-forward. No more Amare being lost.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
He is 8-24, now, with 7 assists
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Lin is tired,,,37 minutes...normally he kicks into another gear in the 4th
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
NOVAK
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
sweet
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
wow at Novak
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Lin to the line
go figure.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
I thought Lin travelled
guess not
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
there's no traveling in the NBA lol
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Very interested in this playcall
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Now it's up to the Knicks defense
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Lin has 6 RBs (2 OF)
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Lin takes the lead on a FT. Nice way to get it done.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
smh wow.
this can’t be real.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Real key to good end of game playcalls:
going against tendency.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
They went against tendency
Rubio’s been great tonight.
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
I don't mean not going to your best players
I mean going early if you like to go late, etc.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Yeah I know what you mean
I tried a vague joke
ohcleverhansyou - February 11, 2012
shoot.. link anyone??
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/107084/1/watch-minnesota-timberwolves-vs-new-york-knicks.html
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
thanks bro
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Haha, Rubio FAIL
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Lin has 20
He just gets the job done.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Twolves should go for the tie and beat up the worn down Knicks in OT
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
+1
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Oh, TWolves played last night too
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
deeper bench
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
KNICKS WIN
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Shumpert won this game BTW
He’s playing a lot better now that he is a SG, not a PG
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
yea
he was clearly never a PG. he’s so athletic, but with the ball in his hands all the time, he was forced to shoot off the dribble jump shots all the time
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
for the record, though
it really doesn’t matter who won the game for the Knicks. they were all part of it
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
him and Lin
Had 20 points each.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Team win....Novak contributed also
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Yeah but Shump was creating offense on a bad offensive night
That’s what a SG should do
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
guess i'll be a couch potato and switch over to the Kings game
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Line on Lin: 20 pts, 8-24,(4-7 FTs), 8 AS, 6 RBS (2 OFF), 3STLs, 6 TOs, 3PF, and a Win..#5 in a row!
His worse game yet…
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
yeah, fatigue from back-to-back plus travel, and TWolves defense
Teammates chipped in to make up for it
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
they are really playing inspired
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
that is a decent "off" night!
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Nothing like winning on the road.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
ya! for sure
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
The Linsanity continues...
sort of
dont_stop_believin' - February 11, 2012
When NY gets all the starters back they may have something with Lin.
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
for sure... i think they will be my fav team from the east this year..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
wow.. just imagined Lin and Klay off the bench.. awhhh the torture... ) :
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
I was imagining Lin and Reggie....starting! lol
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
and trade Monta for a 1st rounder...!
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
lol. trade either one, or, both, for a center
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
sigh...... so.... painful......
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Lin has to learn to not be as aggressive
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
and he has to learn how to beat the traps
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Yep
Quick passes
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Yep, has to learn a lot more...including how to LOSE!
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
LOL
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
he dont play that..\
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Lin was beating the Pau-Fisher trap, Bynum-G traps. Even Kobe was on him. He's sound fundamentally.
callahan - February 11, 2012
he picks up a decent amount of really bad turnovers
its something to work on. but he’s been good so far
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
they are wining. who cares.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 11, 2012
Yeah but it'd be nice if he improved next year
and became a good starter
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
I am not gonna ask that much at this point
Especially when Monta scores 48pts and we still lost
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 11, 2012
Yeah that was crazy
Knicks will probably make the playoffs because the Bucks are sucking again after Bogut went out
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
No excuse. He was tired tonight. Back-to-back. Still, I'll take his line anytime.
callahan - February 11, 2012
I wouldn’t (8-24 fg, 6 tovs). But I’ll always take the bottom line: W. 5th in a row. Plus, as you note, Lin gets huge props for continuing to play aggressively when he was clearly gassed, and for doing a lot to help the team even though his shot wasn’t falling. That was a hallmark of his in his short stints with the Ws. He’s just a very active player, on both ends, and on the glass.
Sigh. We suck.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
That's okay. We still got StephLIN Curry.
callahan - February 11, 2012
and Monta Ellin
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 11, 2012
Yes, we do...
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Klay Thompslin
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Nate Robinslin, Brandlin Rush
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
don nelsLin?
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
mark jackslin
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
All AttLin
Critical Roach - February 11, 2012
Wow! Really impressed, when we had Reggie and Lin....
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Are we talking Chinese? LinMAO.
callahan - February 11, 2012
Lin would have made us soooooooo solid at the pg spot.. we would be petal to the metal the whole time
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
he'd still be backup here...
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
even if, the other team would be hard pressed to match that kinda quality for 48 mins..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
well yea if he played the same way off the bench
our PG position would be shored up completely
but we wouldn’t be “Petal to the metal” for than 18-20 minutes
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
pedal
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
hahah sorrry.. i just think of Lin as a pretty flower is all....
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Not if he had played this way with Cury out...
Then, again, you may be right. Reggie did it last year with Steph out, and wore down the pine the rest of the season….
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Starting Lin
or we can start Lin and use Acie Law as back up (JK)
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
haha ya, last year we were THAT moronic (well almost)
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
just another Smart related BLUNDER
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Other people besides Smart were here when the decision to let Lin go was made...
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
ya, i think lacob should have made it clear to smart to find out what our rookies are capable of..
SPECIALLY when we are like 8 games out of the playoffs
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Yes, Lacob now says that Smart not playing Lin was something that he did not like...
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
maybe he didnt insist on it last year cuz he didnt want to be viewed as overstepping his bounds
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Who knows? At this point, who cares? The damage is done, and the bird(s) flew...
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
ya im a bout 93% done with my grieving process... im still wearing my heart on my sleeve a bit more then moving on ( :
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Sign Lin
we can still sign Lin in the off season and let the Knicks make Charles Jerkins into the an all-star
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
That would be a cosmically perfect trade. For it to have any chance of happening, we’d have to hope Lin seriously regresses, and Jenkins gets some real PT (and makes the most of it).
Meh, who am I kidding … no way it happens. Tonight’s Wolves game was their best attended Wolves game this season. Today I was in NYC Chinatown and walked by two bars touting Knicks TV games with hastily-made Jeremy Lin signs. Talent aside, Lin-sanity is now pure marketing gold. No team’s front office would be foolish enough to give that up. :-(
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Lin is a RFA
No way the Knicks let him go
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
But, you are right about their usage last year under Smart...
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
well..
even if he had, how do you move curry to the bench when he’s healthy?
answer: you don’t
so yes, he’d still be a backup…
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Trade Curry?
trade Curry for Westbrook, and Monta for Rudy Gay, and put everyone into their natural position
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
yea because you make whole-scale changes based off of 10 games?
I’m impressed with Lin, but not impressed enough to change everything to accommodate him.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
it's not about 10 games,
It’s about having the right player in the right position, the Monta + Curry back court will give us 20 wins and then draft udoh, cause we keep trying to make up the undersize back court with size
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
Lin is the same height as Curry and Monta
We’d still be 6’3" at SG, whether Monta or Curry started there.
You’re still not realizing that until 1 of these guys is traded, that our starting backcourt is set. They wouldn’t have replaced either of them with a player who went on a 5-10 game tear with Curry out.
Look at Ramon Sessions. He plays great as a starter. Has with every team he’s played for. Yet he’s still a backup because he’s never played for a team that was bad enough at PG.
Lin was in the right situation in NY, who had 0 PGs. Anywhere else, he doesn’t get starters minutes, even if they like what they see.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Monta?
just cause you are 6"3 doesn’t mean you should play point guard AKA Monta, and NO Westbrook gets plenty of rebound being 6"3 unlike our current back court
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
u REALLY don't understand
he doesn’t make our backcourt any bigger. it has nothing to do with being to tall to play PG. it has to do with being the same height as the other guards. we end up the same size in our backcourt either way
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Bigger?
Did I say anything about his making our back court bigger? all I said, if we traded Curry of Westbrook (which gets loads of rebound from the 2 guard spot) and Monta for Rudy Gay, we can have a team with everyone playing their natural position, Curry is not a true PG, he wants to hit home run on every one of his passes also doesn’t have the strength or ANKLE to take punishment
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
Him* for*
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
what’s this in reference to then?
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Lin is clearly taller than Monta and Curry
Don’t be a fool. Either Lin is 6’4" or Monta is 6’1", Curry is 6’2". Lin is able to grab more rebounds too, Lin has the size.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 12, 2012
So, no. He is not clearly taller
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4795
Jeremy: 6’3"
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3966
Monta: 6’3"
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4612
Steph: 6’3"
Brownie13 - February 12, 2012
Also
According to Draft Express:
Monta’s standing reach is 8’2"
Jeremy’s standing reach is 8’2"
Steph’s standing reach is 8’1"
So again, Lin is not clearly taller
Brownie13 - February 12, 2012
trust me, he is.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 12, 2012
no, I don't think I will
he weighs more
but he is not taller
Brownie13 - February 12, 2012
do you make a habit of citing height w/shoes on?
You cited Monta’s height w/shoes and Lin’s height wo shoes and banked on the fact that nobody would be the wiser. Well, I am.
Monta’s height w/o shoes: 6’2.25"
Curry’s height w/o shoes: 6’2
Lin’s height w/o shoes: 6’3"
Lin is clearly taller by that measure.
In the future, please cite DraftExpress when discussing player measurements. That’s considered a reference source compared to Yahoo or any other website.
Evanz - February 12, 2012
Yeah
We should all just agree on one website to use to find these stats.
doubleteapot - February 12, 2012
/Lintality
ohcleverhansyou - February 12, 2012
i would have cited draft express for their heights as well
(and I did cite it for their standing reaches)
BUT
usually I take the absence of a height w/shoes to mean that’s all they have, and they just put it in the wrong place. none was listed for Lin
how is it that they ended up with a height w/o shoes, but not with? doesn’t make sense.
when one is missing, it usually just means the player didn’t submit to such significant testing as other more prominent players in their draft class, and that they go with the only measurement they have, even if the put it in the wrong place
considering almost every player has an extra inch tacked onto their height beyond height without shoes, it just wouldn’t make sense at all for Lin to be 6’3" at most every site if he was actually 6’3" exactly without shoes.
Brownie13 - February 12, 2012
Lin was listed 6'4" before he entered NBA
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 12, 2012
Standing reach is probably one of the most overrated things in the NBA
Standing reach, especially for point guards, isn’t going to suddenly help them finish at the rim or anything like that. It won’t help you see over a defense.
doubleteapot - February 12, 2012
it does point to height and length differences
and every inch when you’re attacking the rim does count
Brownie13 - February 12, 2012
When you attack the rim
it’s about whether you know your angles, know how to finish and know how to fool the defender or shot blocker. Standing reach is rarely important.
doubleteapot - February 12, 2012
its about that
but getting up 1 inch higher still helps.
Brownie13 - February 12, 2012
Well, if they dumped Monta, they could give Lin 20-25 minutes or so, backing up Curry at PG — or playing full games if and when Curry tweaked his ankle — and allowing Curry to slide over to SG for 10-12 minutes a game. Throw in a few more minutes a night for Klay and Rush. I like that better than the guard rotation they have, and it’s a helluvalot cheaper.
Once again, they’ve inexplicably dumped a cheap, productive, adequately sized, efficient guard (Morrow and Reggie say hi) while sticking with Monta and allowing him to chuck the team into oblivion.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
I'm not even arguing that Monta and CUrry is a good thing
I’m saying, our management, even in deciding to keep him, would have kept him as a backup. They wouldn’t have traded Monta or Curry to get him more playing time. We don’t even know that he’d be playing the same with us they way he is NY.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
huh?
So you saying if we trade Monta for Rudy Gay, we going to play Acie Law all Curry’s minutes whenever he’s out instead of Lin?
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
LOL
One last time:
Even if Lin had 5 straight games like these
Even if he played well as a backup
We wouldn’t have let a 10 game stretch of good PG play from Lin trade away either Curry or Monta for a deal we could have had the whole time.
You’re imagining a scenario that would never have happened.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
So..
so Lin can provide the penetration (such a dirty word LOL) as Monta which is the main reason we hang on to him, since the rest of our team can’t really break down the other team’s defense, YOU TOO CURRY. I rather have Lin that’s willing to pass the ball out instead of Monta trying to score every single lay up
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
Key word
YOU’D “rather have”
The front office can’t make decisions based on 5 games.
It would have been a good thing if we kept LIn
But you cannot be sure that he’d play the same way here, or that he’d even be given the chance. Assuming both of those things happened, you still don’t trade your “stars” based on 5 games.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Trading Ellis or Curry
Trading those guys has been discussed plenty though, without the discussion of who takes their place.
achiappanza - February 12, 2012
The trades that have actually been discussed in our FO
have possibly been for Iguodala and for CP3, in which case, they themselves would have been the replacements
Brownie13 - February 12, 2012
Monta!
Monta’s best year was when he played 2 guard coming off bench in our playoff run. he’s a too good of a finisher to pass the ball Biedrins
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
That's why the Knicks are on a 5 game win streak with Lin at PG
and we are not!
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
they're on a 5 game win streak because they didn't have ANY PGs
if they had had one that was healthy, he still wouldn’t be playing. and if they had a guy like Stephen Curry, Lin would have gone back to the bench :/
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
but that would be a horrible philosophy (sp?) , you let talent slip through your fingers then
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
no you don't
you can still keep him
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
ok.. well assuming his talent has been discovered then yes.. ur right..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Lin or Law
I still rather see Lin off the bench instead of Acie Law
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
obviously Lin
it was clear last year that it made no sense to play Acie over him
but the argument is that he wouldn’t have gotten starters minutes here either way. He wouldn’t be the phenomenon that he is now. He’d have just been a decent backup PG, even if he played well (he might not of, it could be his situation in NY allowing him to succeed, we don’t know)
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
it would be a great luxury to have tho darn.. with currys hurt ankle it would be a much more easy transition..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
yea
but it wouldn’t have been world-changing for us to keep him. I’m not happy we let him go. He’s showing he’s a really good player. But he wouldn’t have been given the chance to do what he’s doing in New York.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
well, we basically would wind up trading him! he would have become good bait
we desperately need good bait..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Bendrins
Bendrins was good bait if we have a time machine
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
im not even sure who that is...
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
Biedrins
I meant Biedrins
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
ya.. his time is coming around soon btw.. he is almost an expiring
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
he wouldn't be good bait
he’d have been playing backup minutes. how hard is that to understand?
backups, even ones that play well, aren’t good bait.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
I totally disagree when u have a backup that is good enough to start for half the league...
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
ramon sessions
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
i just dont see how it matters if a guy is starting or coming off the bench
knowing what we know now about lin , how , if he were on our team stilll, would he NOT become a good trade piece?
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
you're not a good trade piece after 5 games
especially if you go back to the bench
which he would have
Steph missed 8 straight games.
Say Lin ends up averaging 18 and 7 over those games, Steph is still our starter
there’s a reason Ramon Sessions still doesn’t have a very big contract and was traded for Sebastian Telfair, Delonte West, and a 2nd round pick
is that what you want to get out of Lin? I doubt it lol
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
not good trade?
how about we ask the Knicks right now, what it takes to trade for Lin, you think they want a Curry with 1 ankle or Monta that shoots as much as Melo? Ramon Sessions never had a big game
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
20 points, 8 rebs, 24 assists isn’t a big game?
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
who the heck is he playing behind? and why?
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
he's behind kyrie
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
Luke Ridnour (in MIL)
Mo Williams (in CLE)
Baron Davis (in CLE)
Kyrie Irving (in CLE)
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
sigh. i remember when ridnour got hurt one year and was expected to be out for a couple weeks. sessions promptly put up 44/5/12, 26/4/7, and 15/7/17 in consecutive games before ridnour miraculously returned early from his injury and was immediately reinserted as the starting PG
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
(and no that 44/5/12 was NOT a typo)
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
Well
Skiles is a terrible coach
but we already knew that lol
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
true
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
I'm almost positive they take Curry
Maybe not Monta (Sg not a problem and they don’t need another scorer)
Ramon Sessions had a 24 assist, 20 point game…
and a stretch of 7 games in which he averaged 13 assists
you don’t know what you’re talking about
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
i think he averaged 13/6/13 over that 7 game stretch
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
yup
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
so why arent we throwing some dirt at them and try to snag him?
i wonder what they would want
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
it's unclear
the Lakers have been supposedly testing the water
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Well the Lakers definitely need him
They have no production from their PGs or SFs. Which sort of mitigates the fact that Kobe, Pau and Bynum all attract double teams.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
yea
im just not sure they have anything the cavs are remotely interested in
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Stats
I watch the entire T’wolves game, if you just wanna look at someone’s stats then Kevin Love is awesome, 31 and 21 and 10 FT, guess what all his FT comes from loose ball during a defensive rebound, he didn’t create jack in the paint, 31 points, he didn’t command a double team on offensive or beat his man one on one, and get burn 3 times on defensive by 3 steps, but great Stats he had
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
so u watched 1 whole game
im very impressedive seen Lin’s last 3 games in their entirety
but somehow you’re an expert about how he passes the eye test after 1 game. 1 game in fact, that most casual observers are already dubbing his worst game of the 5. it was clearly worse than the last 2 he played
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
huh?
I pointing out Stats can easily be misleading, no I watch all 5 of Lin’s game, I’m trying to point if you didn’t watch the T’wolves game, you would thought Love had a great game, but he barely pass the eye test
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
that’s my line
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
I actually do
I’ve seen Ramon Sessions game, I don’t care about the Stats, you can always high light someone’s stats and make em look good AKA Kevin Love, Lin pass the eye test for starting PG, Ramon Sessions is just another Royal Ivy they don’t pass the eye test
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
so you've watched all of the Knicks last 5 games right?
and Sessions is Royal Ivy? o.O
Royal was so bad at being a PG, that he’s now a bench SG who never sees the floor
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
he does samething
yes, he’s just another Royal Ivy or Brandon Knight, he will keep feed you the ball till you make it, and Yes I did all watch all 5 Knicks games
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
so...
you knew he was going to play 35 minutes in the game New Jersey? when he wasn’t the starter and had been playing almost no minutes for the Knicks prior to that?
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Asm7liFNHWXI30INDdsQu0m3PaB4?gid=2009020715
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;ylt=AgIY1C6YKHawUvgvDKu42i3PaB4?gid=2008041415
can royal iver and brandon knight even come close to those 2 games?
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
League Pass
I have league pass, I went on NBA Broadband cause I didn’t believe that shit, so I had to watch the whole game
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
what r u replying to?
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
hey Brev was a good player
don’t compare him to Royal Ivey
Brev has put up 20 assists before. Multiple times in fact
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
he said brandon knight lol
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
probably meant brevin though
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
oh
hmmm
brandon…lol
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
i was wondering why i wrote brandon knight
and i realized it was because he wrote brandon knight lol
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
lol im just confused now
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Brownie, that is exactly the mentality that is keeping the Warriors from properly using their talent and becoming winners....
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Brownie
well Brownie thinks like the Warriors management, let’s keep playing Monta + Curry make our back court super undersize and then keep drafting Dwight Wright, Udoh and Jermine Tyler to make up the size.
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
I don't think like them
I’m showing you how because they think that way, Lin would never have achieved the value he has now
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
I would agree with you, except for the size. If Lin did this here while Curry was hurt, Curry should have to compete to get his starting job back.
Right now, Lin is playing better than Curry has this season.
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Do you think Lin's playing better than Curry's first season with Nellie's offense?
IQofaWarrior - February 11, 2012
Tough one. Lin is playing very, very well this 5 game stint. He has been shooting over .500, and the TOs are the only negative.
I do not think Curry showed the PG generalship and skill sets that Lin possesses. In fact, I do not think Curry is doing that now!
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
4 games...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4612/gamelog;_ylt=ArmGy1sy6Hv7BLe77MxXpZCkvLYF?year=2009
April 4-11. Look there on that link
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
I see what you mean. You are probably right. They are both up there, in terms of stats, at comparable points in their careers.
I responded the way I did because you spoke of the entire season under Nellie. Lin is outdoing that in terms of stats in this 5 game stint. I am not convinced, however, that Curry, who is a great shooting guard, will ever be the PG that Lin already is.
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Maybe not
but you have to keep your head.
Sometimes when guys get inserted into the lineup, they start on a tear and come back to earth.
My point, this entire time, is that even if he had a couple great games as a Warrior, our coaches and management would have shown patience with him. You can’t expect a guy like Lin to keep this up. It’s possible that he does. But without any other evidence of him being great at the NBA level, you can’t change your whole team to accommodate him with starters minutes. Curry and Ellis are 2 guys the front office value. If Lin played like that for 5 games, they’d value him too, but more than Steph or Monta
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Let me be blunt with you, because I have been treating Steph very generously in deference to his tremendous effort to convert to PG:
I do not think Steph will ever be a great PG. Right now, Lin has demonstrated better PG skill sets than Steph has the last 2 years. I am not talking stats, alone. I am talking about everything else that a PG does.
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
I don't disagree
But most evidence says Steph is the better player. Maybe not the better PG, but the better player.
Considering Lin has 5 games under his belt, it just doesn’t make sense, even if he did it for us, to have moved Steph or Monta to the bench, or trade either of them. Not after 5 games.
The key would be, though, that we would have had Lin the rest of the year to see if he really was a better player to put at PG.
But those are circumstances that didn’t and won’t ever happen. We don’t know what would have happened if we kept him.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
I agree with you as far as Steph being a better shooter. Better player, not all that evident. Better shooting guard, possibly, yes.
Lin is definitely a better PG using this 5 game sample. I agree with you, it is silly to compare off this sample; but, if we must, then the conclusion in favor of Lin at PG is inevitable. We did have Lin for a year. We had Steph hurt. We did not use Lin at PG during that time.
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
again the problem is
you’re using a 5 game sample
Ramon sessions once averaged 13.1 assists per game over a 7-game starting stretch
and he’s continued to be a solid PG since. He also continues to be a backup
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Not for me
Seems like Lin’s body can take way more punishment than Curry’s body, durability is a huge factor AKA Andre Miller
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
He has a much stronger body than Curry.
Probably about 15 pounds at the same height
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
That could be. On the other hand, there’s nothing Lin has done, in college or the pros, to suggest that he’s any more of a “true PG” than Curry. As amazing as Lin has been this season, his assist-to-turnover ratio is significantly worse than Curry’s. They’re both good passers and balhandlers who are also comfortable being their teams’ primary scoring options. I consider them both PGs, but neither is remotely Stockton or Nash. Not yet, anyway.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Stockton or Nash
no one said Lin is on pace to be the next Stockton or Nash, as far as body goes, if we play Curry Lin’s minute right now, I would have to donate both of my ankles to Curry in 3 days
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
Meh. I’m no doctor, but I don’t think re-tweaking or not re-tweaking the ankle has anything to do with total minutes played. None of the re-tweaks we’ve seen so far looked to have anything to do with fatigue.
Plus, it should probably be noted that Lin hasn’t really gotten any more burn than Curry has. Obviously it’s not fair to compare their seasonal averages since Lin just got his first start five games ago; but even during this crazy five-game run, Lin hasn’t really been getting excessive PT. He’s played over 40 minutes only once.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
College
He missed way less in college than Stephen
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
When it is all said and done, people forget how efficient a shooter Lin is!
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Well, he was very efficient in the Ivy League. In the pros, he’s been moderately efficient overall (bad last year, great this year), though the sample size is still tiny. There’s really not enough of a book on Lin’s shooting efficiency to remember or forget.
Small sample size notwithstanding, he does seem to be really adept at getting himself to the FT line, which probably bodes well for his scoring efficiency. He may never be Steph-Curry-efficient (I just don’t think he has he shooting touch for it) but he could easily be Monta-Ellis-efficient, or even Dwyane-Wade-efficient.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Er, what? You’re talking about missed games? Where did you get the idea that Curry missed a lot of games in college? Ignoring the fact that Curry’s senior in college he was in the NBA, Curry played significantly more minutes per season in college than Lin did.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Yep the problem with Lin is that he is too aggressive
Lots of turnovers in the lane. Gotta work on that.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
i think with the current state of their roster
he pretty much has to be super aggressive.
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
this
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
I don’t disagree with this, but I think if you’re going to advocate for the Warriors keeping Lin, it does behoove you to propose a rotation (or player transaction) that actually allows him to play meaningful minutes.
I gave my solution above (and in another thread): dump Monta. Occasional Monta-zing games notwithstanding, it’s now been four years since Monta was a consistently efficient and positively-productive player. Tear off the freaking band-aid already.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
pg curry 28 lin 20
sg klay 28 monta 20
all that said I would swap Jenkins in as the primary backup for pg in the even of injury. And also intentionally sit Curry for a game once per month and thrust the duties onto Jenkins.. By the end of the season Jenkins will not be a mystery , most likely he shows some promise or some serious flaws.. but not a mystery like Lin apparently was (even tho there was plenty of evidence to even the casual observer)
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
i'm pretty sure we need curry on the floor more than 28 mins a game
he’s pretty good after all
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
i dont think there is a huge drop off with Lin..
plus isnt our main goal this year to tank?
Ok if we were trying for playoffs then i would shift it to curry 33 -36 and lin 12-15
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
i personally wouldn't have minded seeing steph play next to lin
they could have done the whole steph plays the 2 on offense but guards the 1 on defense
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
Why guard the 1 on defense?
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
because i dont think curry can guard the 2
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
and i think lin can
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
your almost making the case that lin > curry
defense is half the game..
lin drives better than curry
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
curry can guard the 1 semi-capably
and he’s a much better offensive player than lin is.
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
im not seeing MUCH better ..
i know we are workng with a super small sample but lin gets to the line better, and takes it to the hole better and shoots a a pretty high %
curry is a better shot specially at the 3….
seems awful close to me
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
wait until teams start adjusting for lin
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
by then carmello and amare will be back?
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
if they start getting back into their "iso melo" offense
you’re gonna see a lot of double teaming off of lin’s man and he’s going to have to consistently knock down that outside shot
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
I'd expect him to keep attacking
rather than settling for the jumper
it seems to me that he doesn’t really care if the paint is packed or if they’re sagging off of him. he takes the jumper to keep them honest, but also doesn’t let off the gas just because they’re giving him the jumper.
if he gets the ball coming off a Melo double-team, I expect him to only become more aggressive
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Than we should keep Lin at PG, and trade Curry!
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
And, I agree with you.
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Curry did play about 28 minutes a game
Acie Law average 15 minutes a game last season and 5 minutes went Charlie Bell =(
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
Curry played almost 34 mpg last year
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
and YET
and yet Acie Law still average 15 minutes a game, you don’t have a comeback till Acie Law is dead
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
I never said he didn't play 15 mpg?
But Lin wouldn’t be putting up 25 and 8 in 15 mpg…
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
do you really think anyone here WANTED law to play 15 mins?
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
Acie Law
I’m not saying anyone here would want Acie Law, all I’m saying the Warriors would find some like Acie Law to chew up Lin’s minutes till he get release
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
they probably would...
which is my point
we wouldn’t have given Lin a real chance even if we kept him
he wouldn’t be the PG he is now considered
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
that's why
I’m just saying the Knicks are just as desperate as us, but at least they are willing to try some one out instead of using Tony Douglas AKA Acie Law in disguise till the starters get back, our coaching staff would ride the Acie Law train till we are worse than the Bobcats
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
they ran out of options
Shump tried and failed
Toney tried and failed
Baron was still hurt
they didn’t have a Curry
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
we had more Options?
Charlie Bell tried and failed
Acie Law tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and still waiting….
Curry was still hurt
see the difference, at least they willing to give Lin a shot instead wait 82 games to realize Acie Law failed
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
we
have
curry
we never gave acie 4 starts in a row…lol
in fact, he had 0 starts
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
we use Monta
so we play Monta more minutes and lose Reggie Williams
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
point?
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
we play someone outta position
rather play someone outta position than giving anyone beside Acie Law a legit shot at the PG position
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
monta is out of position at SG?
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
curry was not about 28 minutes per game
he’s closer to 33, and the argument is that he really should have been playing more.
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
28 mpg for their best player? 20 mpg for their “star” and spiritual team leader? Seems extremely unlikely, and probably unwise.
And you’ve left zero minutes for Rush, currently the best three-point shooter in the NBA.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
they're coming from a dream land
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
I was under the impression rush is our small forward..
if rush is our 2 guard then ya serious reshuffling needed.. bigkino said something similar above, im tanking lol
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
he's best at SG
but we keep playing him at SF and PF because we have no bigmen.
if you’re coming from a dreamland where everyone plays their correct position, he now has no minutes
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
The problem with Rush
Is that he cannot create his own shot. He is a spot up shooter only.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Which makes him a good backup SG
Good defense, good spot-up shooting
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
He's a RFA
so he’ll be our backup for a while
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
good. i like him
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
well clearly the solution at this point is to give montas minutes over to rush..
trade monta for a draft pick
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
OR
wait till Jeremy Tyler become the next Knicks starting PF and blame Lacob for releasing him
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
As things turned out, at PG, it might have been a necessity more than a luxury!
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Another dimension for us...
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Novak can do nothing except shoot the three
but man he can shoot it
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Will the Warriors make a trade?
The Warriors have lots of shooting. Some of it will be traded. This is where Reggie would have been useful as a trade chip
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Rewatching that Steve Novak three
Chandler set a moving screen. But refs rarely call it late in games.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
they rarely call it against him in general
he’s very good at getting away with it for some reason
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
I think the key
is to make it look like you’re getting pushed by the other guy
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Maybe you're right
He never makes it look like he’s sliding to stay in front
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
LOL
name a big man that doesn’t set a moving screen?
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
i can't
but udoh is very bad at getting away with it lol
so are a bunch of other guys
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Ref hates Warriors
moving screens, travel, offensive 3 secs and double dribble are only called when you wear a uniform
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
when you commit dumb fouls
you don’t get the benefit of the doubt
when you’re a bad team
you don’t get the benefit of the doubt
it’s like the Raiders
is it possible refs through more flags on them than is fair? yes.
is it probably because they commit the most penalties to begin with? yes.
same thing goes for us.
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Derek Fisher
when Derek Fisher fouls 9 times a game
you don’t get a single call
that’s the ref fault
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
Yeah, it was gross watching that dirty, cheating, pitiful excuse for an NBA player maul Lin all game long and never get called for it. Poetic justice that he embarrassed himself and watched his team lose.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Typical GSM poster:
“I’m going to say Lin ranks as the second best player in the League, right behind Kobe and ahead of LeBron.”
cybermaldonado - February 11, 2012
no way
lin is much better than kobe ;)
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
Nah
I say best player in the League
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
I'm pretty sure
most of GSOM thinks LeBron’s number one
and Kobe’s somewhere down around 50. Just the general vibe I get lol
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Kobe who?
I would rather have Brandon Rush instead of Kobe, that’s just way we think
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
i would say he ranks JUST behind curry... but maybe that changes after a years play..
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
well you are right according to PER...
28 something….only Lebron’s is higher
JimBarnett2KevinGarnett - February 11, 2012
8-24
Linear Regression
David Leezy - February 11, 2012
What is the mean?
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
we don't know yet lol
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
lol small sampLin size tho...
PIRATEWARRIOR - February 11, 2012
I think jeremy Lin is the only player in the NBA i'd defer this question to
JimBarnett2KevinGarnett - February 11, 2012
so this is what it was like to be a ....
Twolve fan after drafting Jonny Flynn……we need our Rubio to get over this.
JimBarnett2KevinGarnett - February 11, 2012
we amnestied Bell
and waived Lee so Deandre Jordan could fart on us
JimBarnett2KevinGarnett - February 11, 2012
lee=lin
JimBarnett2KevinGarnett - February 11, 2012
The Fart
that FART is going to haunt us still Jeremy Lin retires
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
well right now it's' like jordan pooted on a pillow and is stuffing our face in it....
but for the long run…ya , pretty damn stale
JimBarnett2KevinGarnett - February 11, 2012
I wonder if people are staking out Lin's home? LOL
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Hey, doubleteapot, I was just given a formal warning for using one liners and typos in here.
Do you know to whom aI may direct a complaint to?
First of all, Evanz specifically invites us to write in here in game thread format. That means we can use one liners.
Second, I think they do not like the fact that I am critical of the FO, and BB IQ-deficient comments!
lol
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
Sure
You see the “GSOM crew” down below? Well, for the names with an envelope beside them, you can click the envelope and then you can email the person. Not everyone can be emailed, though.
I’d try emailing olympicmike, he seems to be the only person with an email address who regularly uses GSOM.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Thanks. This is a one liner...
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
BANNED
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Rather than so, come Faith, into the List, and Champion Me to the Utterance!
Macbeth, preparing for battle. (W. Shakespeare)
dinohealth - February 11, 2012
I gave you the warning, so you can direct the complaint to me. Or, as doubleteapot notes, you can write to any of my colleagues with a posted email address.
As I said, in a game thread like this, one-liners are cool, because it’s important to be timely. And even the occasional non-game-thread one-liner is cool, so long as it’s exceptionally wise and/or witty. But you’ve been dropping an excessive number of sloppily written one-liners throughout the board, in game threads and elsewhere. As I’ve said before, GSoM is not a chat room. When there’s not a game going on, you’re expected to take the the time to collect your thoughts and compose them into a few thoughtful, coherent posts. Thanks.
[Obviously, it’s not about the fact that you criticize the front office, or the players. I don’t think there’s a single member of the GSoM team who doesn’t regularly do the same!]
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Speaking of the crew
What ever happened to Yaobuttaming?
dubzfan - February 11, 2012
Whoa
He hasn’t logged in since 2009. Actually, clicking on some of these profiles, some of them have not logged in for quite a while.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
damn i just realized jrich hit 9 3s today
bigkino217 - February 11, 2012
it doesn't matter if he broke the record and hit 15
apparently nothing competes with Linsanity lol
Brownie13 - February 11, 2012
Hmmm
Anyone realize that with the Bucks loss to the Magic, the Knicks are the 8th seed in the East?
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Wow
Anyone realize that there was a player called “Fat Lever”? Someone should make a list of the best names in the NBA.
doubleteapot - February 11, 2012
Short for “Lafayette.” I remember him well — heck, he played as recently as ‘93/94! Unique, versatile player — sort of a homeless man’s Oscar Robertson. He once put up a 31-12-16-6 line against the Bulls, and in his prime came pretty close to averaging a triple double in a season.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Lafayette Lever to you :)
yeah, he’s an executive for the Kings, was drafted by the Blazers – I watched him play. Just guessing – did you just read the Nate Silver blog in the NY Times?
Rasputin10 - February 11, 2012
Yep
It’s weird reading about sports on a political blog. But at least now I also know that the Republican primaries are going to be long and drawn out but not a fight to the finish because historically it is rare for a presidential primary to come down to the wire.
doubleteapot - February 12, 2012
It gonna be a good game tomorrow, the two teams letting Lin go
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 12, 2012
Lin it to win it
that’s mine, feel free to use it, because I never want to say it again
Duby Dub Dubs - February 13, 2012
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