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Klay Thompson, a bust?

Jerry West see's a player.

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Klay Thompson is better than Kawhi Leonard. He's the 2nd best player taken in the 2011 draft. Similar to Rick Barry, it is unclear whether Thompson's best quality is his shooting prowess, or his ability to see the floor. As a rookie, Thompson already has the strongest fundamental foundation on the team. He simply plays the game the correct way. He's very good.

In an age where players like Kevin Love are swept under the rug because they are not athletic enough to compete in the NBA, Klay Thompson faced a comparable dynamic when his ability to defend in the this league was questioned, along with his potential to be more than Kyle Korver. Even the beloved Steph Curry went through the same thing. The majority of the fans on Goldenstateofmind.com, had no idea who Thompson even was as a player, immediately calling out for Kawhi Leonard or even Marcus Morris before even giving him a chance to prove himself.

Shooting

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Not since Ray Allen has a more laser perfect stroke been introduced to fans of the game. With Klay, it no longer seems to come down to hitting or missing shots, but simply the execution of his form. It does not matter if he is drifting around a screen, dribbling backwards, or streaking down the court to stop on a dime, Thompson has shown a very unique ability to square up on or off the dribble, and execute his form with perfect replication.

Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson make up for the most efficient backcourt in the NBA, easily. given 30-36 minutes a night each, teams would be unable to stop that sort of firepower, especially considering that both players are the son's of ex-NBA players, and are exceptionally well versed in matters of basketball IQ.

Both are unselfish and understand the manipulation of defenses through ball movement and constant threat of the high percentage shot. Great shooters understand that giving up the dribble weakens their greatest weapon, and thus allows the defense to cheat. Curry and Thompson understanding this, would make for a much more potent offense.

Court Vision and Passing

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I watched a play where Thompson's court vision impressed me:

He caught the ball in motion as he crossed the three point line on the left side and met a charging defender who emerged from the paint. Klay switched the ball to his left and executed a hesitation move, which forced the defender to pause against his momentum, leaving him staggered. In the midst of the hesitation, a help defender behind Thompson reached for the ball, and sensing this, Klay then threw the ball ahead of himself, passed the staggered defender to his right side, took a long step to catch up with the ball, and then quickly secured it with both hands as he was now at the rim. The center left Jeremy Tyler, and challenged Thompson as he left his feet for the attack. As soon as the center left the ground, Klay threw a wrap-around pass that led to a Tyler dunk.

His head is always up. His awareness and cool allowed him to stay in the play long enough to see how it fared out. And when it did, he made the right decision.

"I watched Klay all through grade school (played against my son in Portland before moving to LA) and on the tube when he was at WSU. When he was a kid, he excelled at seeing the floor and playmaking. The best I had ever seen. His shooting came along as he got older. The only thing that will hold Klay back is himself. As long has he gains sufficient confidence and doesn't get down on himself he will excel as a starter." - David, Warriors Fan

Getting down on himself seems to be Klay's biggest enemy. Jim Barnett stated that he'd like to see Klay smile more. So would I. I speculate that he is unhappy that he is not playing well enough to decisively take Dorell Wright's position, even though it is obvious that he is the better player in all facets of the game.

Pride and Confidence

Klay has an edge to his game - A quiet determination that drives him to compete. He does not seem so impressed with the national attention the game receives, not enough so that it will make or break his mentality. This is extremely rare for a young player.

It was a preseason game that he shot 2-15 and had a terrible game, but he was determined to find his touch, and was not afraid to sacrifice what seemed like a futile effort in order to prepare himself for the real thing. As the season progressed into the very early stages, Thompson absolutely struggled to score on a very fundamental level. This did not slow him down one bit. As a rookie, missing a high volume of consecutive shots can be devastating to your confidence.

This guy believes in his game. He finds conviction in his talent, and believes in it. That's the kind of true grit that great players are made of.

Defense

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It comes back to his pride as a player, and as Mark Jackson loves to say, "holding himself accountable".

He has not fouled out of a game this season, and he understands how to defend without fouling. He does not put his hands on players, he moves his feet, he stays down, and he forces his opponent into the help. Watch him off the ball. He understands how to disable passing lanes, and he always takes the correct angle on his man relative to the ball.

He isn't scared of crashing the glass, and understands his length as an advantage. He challenges shots at the rim and tries to block them. He is not a quitter.

Scoring

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How does Stephen Jackson score despite being an average shooter and a poor ball handler? He understands how to use triple threat.

Klay Thompson does not terminate the dribble. He does not waste dribbles. Like Jackson, he understands that triple threat can keep your defender in a limbo, and is great for setting up drives, especially when you are ambidextrous. Thompson makes great use of the left hand, and can pass or finish with it.

He has wonderful body control in close, which allows him to finish under the rim over the bigs. He never loses his head at the rim and takes his time in a hurry. This allows him to make use of an assortment of moves. He's aware of how to get an open shot in traffic without being in a rush.

Conclusion

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He's the perfect running mate for Stephen Curry and David Lee. All three of them have a high BB IQ (Lee, especially) and Thompson takes some pressure off of Curry, (not being a natural point guard) allowing him a teammate to take on some of the decision-making duties.

Curry's strengths are tremendous off the ball, as a spot-up shooter. Klay allows him to be this, as Thompson understands how to secure the ball, create an angle, and set up teammates.

Thompson's strengths are tremendous of the ball, as a spot-up shooter. Their strengths are symmetric. Curry does for Thompson off the ball, just Thompson does for Curry.

Thompson is the real deal and a pure basketball player. He understands the game much more than Monta Ellis, and should be awarded his position as the Warriors' starting shooting guard. He is the perfect running mate for Stephen Curry, and at the end of the day, both players will be better for it.

Would you rather have Monta Ellis or Klay Thompson as your future starting 2 guard?

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Comments

KLAY = not a bust..

klay >>>> ellis..

now CAN WE PLEASE PLEASE PRETTTY PLEASE play Tyler and Jenkins some heavy minutes for at least ten games!!!!!!! please????? as a warriors fan?

Did you even read the post?

I did actually. What are you referring to?
Excuse me, and it was a nice post btw!

I’m super happy that when people were calling klay a bust that we stuck it out and gave him enough time to prove himself. I really hope we can do the same for the other rookies and learn from the stupid Lin fiasco..

Rec'd lilboots...nice post.

I love Klay’s..poise…on the floor….gotta admit that I was yearning for Markief Morris and still like him but Klay seems to be improving game by game…my inner homer is thinking…Reggie Miller!

He's already is the finisher

He was the one that went off in the 4th quarter of the last game while Monta watched.

Curry
Thompson
Rush
Lee
Udoh

Finished and shut the door on the other team. I just think if Klay starts Monta is fresher and can do better in the 4th. Not that we will see that if Klay keeps rolling.

Time to see what we can get for Ellis
2 years and counting
Or anyone else

Seeing as though we kinda suck

Simple but elegant.
Seeing as though we kinda suck
i just wish we could get a 1st round pic like top 10 or 11
You should get a job as the Warriors PR guy (or whoever it is that writes the bios and statements and other stuff)
He’s the perfect running mate for Stephen Curry and David Lee

Eh, we have enough scorers

okay so how about the fact that he's a better defender than Monta?

and the offense is just a whipped topping that makes your ice cream that much sweeter?

It is a definite plus

But if we are going to try and make a threesome that are real contenders with Lee and Curry you will need an elite defender, not a good one . Klay is a very nice player, but not a savior (at least not likely)

Who cares if he's a "savior."

You can improve if you just keep better better players.

True words...
Who cares if he’s a “savior.”
You can improve if you just keep better better players.
well, if we can score a elite defending center and small forward we would be in good shape

with those 3 maybe…

Center X

Dwight , Bynum and Chandler are the only C’s that fit this bill and we will not have any of them. If 1 super awesome center is holding your team back more then anything else you should readjust your team and your priorities. Everyone wants that super center, people find ways to win without them

The problem is you cannot have elite defenders at every position

because most elite defenders aren’t that good of scorers. Klay has already shown good fundamental defense and he’s played less than 25 games. I think his jumper is always going to be there so he’s going to improve his defense and shot creating.

But when Lee and CUrry are your building blocks elite defenders are a must

Even if they aren’t good scorers

then that's where we differ

I don’t consider Lee a building block. I do consider Curry one, but his defense isn’t horrid enough to the point where you need elite defenders at the remaining 4 positions.

I think Lee is a winner

He’s got a very high intelligence on the court. Granted, he’s not a great defensive player and he has weaknesses. But he does things pretty well that you need to win.

I think the league seems to be evolving in such a way, where the “all-around” center is sort of an extinction. Shot blockers are the new craze, and every winning franchise seems to be settling for one.

It seems the popular method has simply come to plugging in a defensive 5 around your core. Luckily for the Warriors, and for Lee, an athletic, big, shot-blocking center is exactly what both of them need.

You can't build around someone his age...

Building implies it’s a multi year process, and as he ages he will only get worse. In a little over a year he’ll be 30… Not exactly a building block anymore.

I didn’t say he was a building block. I do think he helps you win, especially when you actually have a center to put next to him. We do not.

I think Lee is a winner

has he even been part of an above .500 team?

All I know is that he plays smart ball, he rebounds (which covers for some of his defensive deficiencies), and he’s probably our most consistent player. I could sort of care less about who or what he’s played for.

he also is terrible at defense, and that's half the game

His poor defense is resigned to under the rim. He doesn’t have the length or explosion to really challenge shots, and doesn’t have the lower body strength to really keep people out of the paint.

His saving grace on the defensive end is his rebounding. He’s smart, he communicates, he’s aware of positioning, and his foot speed isn’t atrocious on the perimeter as a spot help defender.

But yeah, in the post, he’s a bad defender…Which is why the Warriors need to do what every single team in the NBA is trying to do, in nabbing a big, athletic, shot-changing center.

The point is that he’s a smart player who makes good decisions. He’s consistent in 3 very important aspects to the game that correlate strongly to wins.

I don’t really understand all the dissatisfaction with Lee. Yeah, he’s overpaid 2-3 million, but that’s just the nature of the beast.

Go look down the rosters of the other 29 NBA teams, and I guarantee you’ll find 1-3 guys who you could feasibly argue are overpaid by a similar disparity.

I would rather have a good, over-paid player, than a bad over-paid player. Lee is not a bad player

He’s really doing a good job playing on a team with no center. If we had used the amnesty on Lee, we wouldn’t be talking about “sneaking in” the playoffs right now.

Teams with players on deals like Lee's aren't good.

Or are lucky and have someone like Dwight Howard.

You should talk to the Bulls about Carlos Boozer…

they have a superstar

any team with a superstar is going to be ok

it's really simple

the best deals in the nba are superstars and good players on rookie deals. if you have those, you can overcome a bad contract, because you have plenty of good contracts. if you don’t then a bad contract will cripple you.

Yeah, I get it.

It sounds like you’re saying our most consistent player who isn’t making 12 million dollars this year while averaging 20 and 10 will hurt our chances of developing our team further, because we can’t navigate a star’s salary around his contract.

I won’t buy it. Losing is what is crippling us. Having Monta Ellis as the main ball-handler/scorer is crippling us. David Lee is not.

If you want to talk about a bad player with a bad contract, talk about Andris. Talk about Rashard Lewis.

But don’t try to sell me how David Lee is hurting our chances of acquiring a star, or winning games. He’s overpaid 3-4 million, tops. That’s the cost of some below average free agent, or a rookie on his 1st contract.

Whoop-dee-doo.

It’s not as bad as you’re making it sound. The team just has to be smart from here on out, and maybe call a bluff or two. Jackson needs to build team chemistry so that guys want to stay here, and maybe a few want to join.

He’s overpaid 3-4 million

in a couple years it’ll be a lot more than that

He's a 5 year, 35-40 million dollar big.

So yeah lol.

he may communicate and be aware of positioning

but that doesn’t seem to help his defense. he’s an awful help defender above all else.

Look, I’m not trying to say he’s a good defender. He is not.

I am trying to say that Lee helps much more than he hurts. I like having a team comprised of guys who know how to play the game. I think Lee can be a starting power forward on a winning team.

I really believe it all comes down to who’s playing next to him at the 5. If you want to disagree with me, fine. We will agree to disagree. I don’t care.

well sure

anyone can be a starter on a winning team if they’re surrounded by good players.

Yeah, and I’m saying Lee is a good player.

Put him next to a shot-blocking/rebounding 5, just like the entire league is thriving to do, and the front court will be fine.

if you put him next to a shot-blocking/rebounding 5

we’ll be winning because of the shot-blocking/rebounding 5. not because of david lee

I never said I thought he was a building block

But the W’s do

They’d be sort of dumb not to say he is, considering his income.

he isn't...

I know that…

You’re not listening. When you’re paying a guy 15 or whatever million a year, it would be dumb to make him sound like he’s anything but part of the future. This isn’t wise unless you have takers lined up, or the player is nearing the end of their contract.

Whether it is so is beyond the point.

Rashard Lewis makes bank for the Wizards, but he's not a building block I'm pretty damn sure.

Lewis was a completely different situation. They were trading garbage for garbage.

They really just wanted Gilbert to get the hell, out of there.

Didn't get that deal way back from when he was a Sonic?

And he was thought to be really good?

why not amnesty him though?
Well Udoh could become an elite defending center...

Unfortunately he doesnt seem to have the touch for rebounding, scoring and passing or…catching.

ya, totally true.. The only thing here tho is his size.. man if he were like 2 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier we would be a beast and a half
Udoh

He is a seventh guy on a team and nothing more. His skill set isn’t one of an NBA starter

Ellis for Iggy

Curry
Klay
Iggy
Lee
Udoh

Monster perimeter defender. Monster post defender. 3 other guys that at the very least understand how to move their feet and anticipate. Can’t ask for more.

This trade has been argued to death.

It just won’t happen. Philly is playing too well and he’s too important to that system.

Yeah I know it won't happen :/

Just like DeAndre and Tyson and CP3 and a million others never end up happening :/

AND, philly doesn't need Monta
Hmmm..sounds somewhat familiar...
Ellis for Iggy

Coulda sworn that I heard that some before?

I never said I was being original

and I mentioned in a reply that I realize this trade more than likely won’t happen (barring anything catastrophic in Philly).

Klay is definitely a good addition he has size, D, and shooting for a 2. I really do wish we trade Monta though he is very much unappreciated here its ridiculous.

if he were only more appreciated around the league maybe we could get something good for him...
RIP Whitney.

Monta off the bench..

Seeing how Monta is better than Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, and Rajon Rondo, I don’t see any method of reasoning with him to be anything but the no. 1 option.

DUDE, did you even read the above post? jk ( :

Honestly I dont see it hurting Monta’s stock at all to switch things up and bring Monta in off the bench at like 20 mins a game.. and with Klay getting 28 he gets to imrpove his game and INCREASE his stock around the league.

Who 'is similar to Rick Barry' ??

did you follow Barry’s rookie season in the league ? he was one of the quickest and fastest players in the league both with and without the ball, and an above average rebounder. he drew fouls constantly by going to the hoop. o.k., the two players are around the same height. Thompson could be the more accurate shooter from the perimeter, but the comparison is problematic because there was no three point shot in college for Barry, and in the pros only after he switched leagues. Hard hand checking by defenders on the perimeter was also permitted.

This was a post hyping up Klay Thompson

Just roll with it :)

Yeah...we seem to be under-hyped these days. Wish we taken that Lin kid....

Oops..

Similar to Rick Barry, it is unclear whether Thompson’s best quality is his shooting prowess, or his ability to see the floor.

This is not a direct comparison. I’m saying that it’s not clear if Thompson’s shooting alone, outweighs his value as a playmaker who makes good decisions.

Rick Barry was similar in that sense, because he was another player who was known to thrive in both of these aspects. I’m not saying Klay Thompson plays like Rick Barry, has similar physical attributes, talent, potential, etc..

Rather, both players do two things extremely well. That statement was meant to emphasize that I wasn’t sure which they did better, or which was more valuable to their respected games. I don’t know if that makes any sense, but I suppose I should have been more clear with my words.

I believe he will be the best Warrior since Rick Barry played in Oakland.

But please forgive me for that one. Parish, Mully, and maybe Mitch will have him. I still think he will be a multiple all-star and a great player.

Your forgiven…once on a hype role it is hard to even out the high…;-)

Ridiculous Beyond Words

Rick Barry is one of the greatest players to ever live and putting this guy in the same sentence with Barry is a freaking joke. His skill set isn’t in the same zip code as Rick Barry. This is one of the stupidest comparisons ever. Please lets be reasonable here in these blogs.

It’s stupid that you still don’t understand that I wasn’t comparing their talent level.

did you even read the whole thing?
i'm excited about play too....

think he’s going to be real good when his body is completely filled out…he reminds me a lot of Kobe.

lol...play Thompson...

meant KLAY obi

His bod looks pretty "filled out" already?

Are or you referring to muscles and tats? ;-) Sorry I am in a “mood” taday.

Klay would be better served off the bench for now

What some of you don’t seem to realize is how much Klay benefits from playing most of his minutes with the defensive 2nd unit. Klay can hide on defense because the 2nd unit is so much better defensively then the 1st unit, allowing Klay to focus more on his offense. Klay is not a great defender, he just benefits from playing alongside good defenders, and I have a feeling he’d be exposed in the 1st unit.

Secondly, and I forget the exact stats, listening to 85.7 the game talking about Klay last week on the drive, they asked Steinmetz about what they he thought of Klay. And MS basically said that in catch and shoot situations, Klay was the best or 2nd best shooting guard in the league in terms of efficiency, but he was like like the 3rd worse guard in the league when he put the ball on the floor before making a play. Translation, he is a catch and shoot offensive player and his floor game needs alot of work.

Lastly, as much flak as Ellis and Curry get on these boards, I continue to believe that if this team can upgrade its center position (both starting and backup aka resign Kwame) that they would be a significantly improved team. Sadly, the only way I see us getting a quality center is to trade Monta or Curry, but I wouldn’t trade either them unless it was for a high draft pick or for a quality starting center. Since I don’t forsee either of those occurring, I’d rather hold on to our players and see what types of move can be made in the off season.

What some of you don’t seem to realize is how much Klay benefits from playing most of his minutes with the defensive 2nd unit.

It seems if someone is playing well, Jackson usually allows them to stay in the game and bleed over to the other unit. Thompson is usually inserted in the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters. If he plays well, which he has lately, he will see time late in the game.

Klay can hide on defense because the 2nd unit is so much better defensively then the 1st unit, allowing Klay to focus more on his offense.

I feel like this is more or less a common myth. You don’t benefit from your teammates defensively if you’re constantly playing poor defense and allowing opponents to get high % shots and trips to the foul line. These things are not unobtrusive just because Brandon Rush and McGuire are in the game.

Klay is not a great defender, he just benefits from playing alongside good defenders, and I have a feeling he’d be exposed in the 1st unit.

I wouldn’t call him a great defender. He’s certainly one of the better perimeter defenders on the team, though. I’d definitely say he’s a better defender than any of our starting 5 on the perimeter. I’m actually very impressed with his individual defense. He doesn’t get duped into dumb fouls and he moves his feet well. He challenges shots without drifting into the defender and stays down most of the time.

Translation, he is a catch and shoot offensive player and his floor game needs alot of work.

I don’t really take what Matt Steinmetz says any more serious than I would Gary “the coach” St. Jean. In the beginning of the season, Thompson really struggled to make anything. Since then, he’s regularly scoring on drives and relaxed pull up jumpers off the dribble. Have you been watching any recent games?

It’s hard to make more of a small sample size, but it’s obvious that he’s becoming more comfortable as the weeks go by.

Sadly, the only way I see us getting a quality center is to trade Monta or Curry, but I wouldn’t trade either them unless it was for a high draft pick or for a quality starting center.

I would love to see Andrew Bogut in a Warriors’ uniform. He’s had two freak injuries that he should recover from. He made the All-NBA team. It’d be interesting to know how the Buck’s patience is running with him. I don’t think they would trade him for Monta Ellis straight up, but I would definitely inquire about making some sort of deal.

Bogut Or Kaman

I agree with you on Bogut. If they could get him on the cheap, he would be worth a look and so would Kamen.

He plays with a chip on his shoulder. To me, I think that’s maybe the most important attribute you’d want in a center. He’s very aggressive.

This is what the Warriors need. He also blocks about 4 shots a game. He’s a great passer, and he rebounds.

Excellent teammate for Lee, and a very underrated, and somewhat forgotten center.

He and Lee could make just about any outlet pass; both are great passing the rock. You could play them both in the high pick and roll, and they could find each other well in the paint.

Would agree completely with this observation.
Translation, he is a catch and shoot offensive player and his floor game needs alot of work.

Looks like he may be able to do that…if so then he will be gold.

What I really like about Klay

is that even as a rookie, he seems to know when it’s ‘right’ for him to shoot and when he should pass it up and look for a better spot off the ball. He very rarely forces up a shot just to ‘get into rhythm’, there’s a real cool calculation to his game, which is practically never seen in a rookie.

Has anyone noticed how Klay has that ancient Egyptian emperor look?

Hollywood beckons…

ha Klay the sun god

Other Conclusion

Mrs. Thompson is smoking.

Yes sir

he’s blessed with good genetics.

Curry's mom is hotter...
that's clearly where Klay gets his "chick lips"

just me? or anyone else notice this about Klay too?

just you
OK Duby...like a recent Knicks coach said "I am going to ride this like freakin Secretariate"
that’s clearly where Klay gets his “chick lips”

But since you are a good guy I will let you off this time..:-p

Speaking of Mrs Thompson...Wowza! What a great looking moma.

The girls in Klays life must feel a bit …intimidated.

Maybe Klay can be the starting point guard?

Thanks Lilboots, that was a fun read. Klay has played well recently, and it was nice to see something here not about NY’s new point guard.

I’m still not sure what to think of Klay though. Not that I hate him or anything… I just have a hard time believing he’s a better pick for us than Kawhi would have been. It’s easy to point to scoring, but Kawhi is starting for a very strong Spurs team that’s winning without Manu. We can’t win consistently without Kwame Brown, but the Spurs won six in a row without Manu, with Duncan playing less minutes than ever, and holding teams to 86 points a game during the streak.

I hope that Klay turns into a superstar for us, and that he helps lead this team to great things. He’s a Warriors, and I’m a Warriors fan. But the post didn’t include any statistical data to back up it’s numerous claims, and there wasn’t any comparative analysis to convince me that he’s the answer moving forward.

I guess it seemed like pro-Klay propaganda, which I’m ok with, though I wish there was more fact and less hyperbole.

I must admit, I’m not an advanced stats guy. Apologies. I should take the time to become more versed in these matters, but I’d just as soon record every game and watch them 2 or 3 more times over the subsequent nights. But if you know of any websites that are close to free of charge, and allow you the full alchemy of their data, I’d be more than happy to do the grunt work, if the means justify the cause.

Haha fair enough. Like I said, I enjoyed the read, and the presentation was far beyond anything I’m remotely capable of on a computer (I recently learned how to cut and paste- it’s a lot easier than writing down what someone posted and then typing it!).

Maybe some of our resident statistical badasses could step in and help confirm the message your preaching. I would certainly welcome it, but for now I’m still in the “why didn’t we draft Kawhi?” camp.

regardless of how one views Thompson's ceiling,

it should be universally agreed upon that Thompson needs to play increased minutes. Whether that means taking away minutes from Wright or Robinson or Monta, it needs to be done. Surely that will happen if GS fades far out of it in the next month

Universally is big word but count me in....
it should be universally agreed upon that Thompson needs to play increased minutes
Great post!

I really like Klay as well, he reminds me of a less explosive Ray Allen. When Ray was in Seattle I had the privilege of seeing him play in person and he just made everything looks SO easy – throwing dime passes, hit jumpers from everyone, running point – under appreciated at the time.
Klay is also going to be very good. He is a throwback type player, great shooter, makes all the right decisions, sees the floor, knows the angles. I’m not sure he has the explosiveness or the speed to be an all star -but hopefully I am wrong,
It does make me wonder if we can pull off a trade for a good SF for Monta, because trading him for a center is alot more difficult. Batum, Ariza, Deng, Thaddeus Young – all would be an upgrade over Dorrel Wright.
Starting five: Curry, Klay, Batum, Lee, Udoh (for now, sigh).

Glad you guys are liking Klay...

he is surely missed at Wazzu… if he stayed, along with our center Casto, we would have been locks for a Pac12 championship… Just wait until he really explodes… When the guy catches fire, he has no problem scoring some points… his last game in the Pac10, he broke the scoring record in the Pac10 tournament with 43pts in 37min…

In a loss.

To the mighty Huskies.

If you really wanna be a writer

You should spend more time on getting the flow right. Tell me what’s wrong with the following paragraph and how to make it more readable?
“Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson make up for the most efficient backcourt in the NBA, easily. given 30-36 minutes a night each, teams would be unable to stop that sort of firepower, especially considering that both players are the son’s of ex-NBA players, and are exceptionally well versed in matters of basketball IQ.”
Do they really easily apply makeup for the most efficient backcourt in the NBA? and who might these efficient voyeurs be??

Appreciate the criticism

Your scholarly eye amazes me!

Appreciate the criticism

and I appreciate the effort you put into these threads. Please keep ‘em coming and like Sleepy don’t hesitate to tell me when I’m full of crap :>)
It’s not scholarly, it’s just long years of observing stuff.

Oh I been telling you you’re full of crap since I’ve been here, Skep. Haha, jk. Truth being, you make me laugh a lot of the times. I like having you around. You sure as hell make me cranky some times, though. ;)

Klank?

Has exceeded our expectations and looks like he’s gonna be a keeper. Now we just gotta get him loosened up and smiling a bit.

I like the serious look.

Makes me think he’s all business out there, unlike Beans. If Beans was that serious, he might be able to get more done (or anything done).

I like the serious look.

depends on if you want to enjoy your game or make it like work? I watch games for the fun not the stress so I enjoy players who look like they are having fun entertaining me.Jarret jack eating popcorn from the lady’s lap for instance.or Binky’s shimmy,or cousins pointing downfield after a charge :>)

Kobe is his role model, so you will probably see do him do the ridiculous Kobe teeth gnashing thing before you see him smile. I’d rather see him be overly serious than not serious enough.

Smiling modifies your attitude.

Telemarketers usually have a mirror in front of them and are told to smile, because it changes your attitude. Klay looks all business, which will probably lead to a more consistent game.

Unless you live in some stone age Bronx zoo, where your dad constantly lives in his 5 0’clock shadow and crushes beer cans on your head every time you want to get in a glimpse of “Transformers” between time-out commercial breaks, I think it’s safe to say every child, woman, and man watches, “because it’s fun”.

I watch games for the fun not the stress so I enjoy players who look like they are having fun

Luck you’re still a Warriors’ fan. I’m relieved the past 20 years of cat piss stench hasn’t dilated your delicate sensibilities to seek your fandom elsewhere. Good to know all it takes is a Coke and smile to keep you good old boys in the freaking coffer.

Good to know all it takes is a Coke and smile to keep you good old boys in the freaking coffer.

Coke colored JackDaniels.

Klay has always been that way.

He doesn’t show too much emotion while he’s playing, but he started to open up a bit his last year at Wazzu. He is a good kid though; he got suspended for a game his Jr year because a cop found a small amount of marijuana in his car. The game he was suspended, he took the microphone and apologized to the students, alumni, and school for making the mistake.

Lets call his girlfriend a find out what it takes to get him to crack a wide smile...
I like the serious look.
Or perhaps the issue is that he hasnt found one in the bay area?

In that case lets find him one…

The expectations were that he could shoot and not do much else.

What’s been exceeded?

he's not a horrendous defender

he’s just bad. does that count as exceeding?

Hmmm. An excellent point.

Perhaps it does.

The Logo was right.

Klay can play.

Serious question: Better pure shooter, Thompson or Curry?

Klay said during training camp that Curry’s the better shooter.

He’d be a fool to say he wasn’t. Doesn’t necessarily make it so

Klay's a good shooter.

And very good at running off screens and creating space…he’s a bad defender and rebounder, and can’t drive the ball for his life. He’s one of the oldest players taken in the first 20 picks. I like him. But I think there’s a lot of rookies that I would over him based on their all around games and potential.

He is not a bad defender.

Please back this up.

He doesn't need to

He’ll eat those words. He’ll gladly eat them.

You think he's an average or good defender?
He's got horrible foot speed.

He fouls at a very high rate…he’s got decent size but that’s it.

I think he is absolutely an average defender.

If it was all about foot speed, why wouldn’t Monta be a great defender? Klay is long, understands individual concepts, and understands team concepts. He knows where he is supposed to be, he stays in good position. I do not think a team sees Klay in the game and thinks, “Oh, we’ve got this clown.” Nor are they intimidated by him. He is an average defender.

He's averaging 5 fouls per 36.

That’s unbelievably high for a non big. Especially when he doesn’t create many positive defensive plays like steals or blocks. I think he’s a bad defender, that doesn’t mean he isn’t better than Monta or Curry…if you haven’t noticed most of our players are horrible defenders.

small sample size

I also think bench players tend to average much higher fouls per 36 just by virtue of the game. They play less minutes, but if they catch 2-3 fouls in 20 staggered minutes of play (say 1 foul in first 8 minutes, then no fouls, then 1 foul in the last 4 minutes) then their fouls per 36 are always going to be high.

Steals and blocks are not an indicator of defense… Goodness Gov I’m pretty sure you’ve lectured other people for using steals and blocks as a defensive indicator.

I think he’s right average. Keep in mind what you’re comparing average to. This league is slowly slowly getting to the point where you can’t even touch a guy when he has the ball or it’s a foul, so obviously average defense isn’t going to be as tight as we expect.

He also averaged three fouls a game in college (his final season).

And he was known to be a relatively poor position defender (something I witnessed first hand for three seasons).

I witnessed him first hand for three seasons.

He was in no way a poor defender in college. I’m sorry but I really disagree with you.

He gave effort on defense, and made the right rotations, but he just wasn't quick enough to stay in front of the better college players.
Watched him in person every home game for 3 years and every road game on TV.

I just disagree with you on this. I’ve scene him stay in front of a lot of good college players.

RAPM suggests he's a bad defender

He’s only played 25 games in limited minutes. I don’t know how much you can take away from those stats. Klay has a -0.6 rating on defense, which is identical to Kawhi Leonard. Klay isn’t a bad defender. He isn’t a lock down type of defender, but he is far from a liability on the defensive end.

Exactly what I've been saying.

Thank you.

klay is actually -1.1
i guess that's as of the 11th, so it could be a bit different
Well, we all know WSU fans aren't the most unbiased people in the universe.
Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I can't look at him objectively.

We all know UW fans aren’t the most rational people in the universe ;)

Steals and blocks are not an indicator of defense… Goodness Gov I’m pretty sure you’ve lectured other people for using steals and blocks as a defensive indicator.

The point is he fouls a ton without even trying to do these things. He’s essentially fouling because he can’t keep up with people, which is a huge problem. His foot speed is atrocious. Again, it’s not his fault really, but it’s a problem.

Is that stat based off how many fouls he averages when guarding his own man? What about offensive fouls?

I only ask because he it seemed like he was getting at least one offensive foul per game, doing his “pass and crash” or pushing off with his off arm to create space before pulling up for a jumper. I’ve also seen him pick up some cheap fouls because a bigger guy got an offensive rebound and Klay couldn’t do much except foul the guy since the guy was bigger and right under the hoop.

Well Burke has faster foot speed but....

The homer in me likes Klay’s game by game steady improvement…and I see him defending quite well actually…and actually not fouling as readily as most rooks? But he does have that dispicable age thing thing going…sigh just when my homer high was at its peak…..

I don’t know what kind of scale you’re really offering me as far as trying to gauge his ability on that end, but considering expectations and the fact that he is a rookie, I think he is above average.

You really don’t like age.

Just like size, it matters.

In both cases, it isn’t the ultimate determinant of success. I’ll put my money on talent and work ethic over age or size.

+ .5

I agree to an extent, sometimes age and size is huge ( Monroe) and other times it isn’t. I think for example Thomas Robinson will be a good NBA player but he isn’t super big or very young

Robinson's pretty big.

7’1 wingspan, 6’9 in shoes. Very muscular.

He's kinda short for a PF

But his bounce makes up for it along with his arms , but he is a junior

Klay Bust?

I don’t think he’s gonna be a bust, he busted out of that shell and that awful slump start early in the season though.

Did you even bother reading the article?
Gosh I hope you're right
Maybe Klay is our James Harden?
Klay is pretty much the exact opposite of Harden (except that they both shoot a bunch of threes).
Klay is pretty much the exact opposite of Harden

but he’d look cool in Harden’s beard. A GSW Abe Lincoln figure…I cannot tell a lie, I can outshoot the curry at three’s

Truth.

Everyone would look good in Harden’s beard.

reggiebeard.jpg

Ha! I was thinking Egyptian Emperor but Abe Lincoln just might be a better fit.
Klays face with Hardens beard...hmmmm.
obviously the way they play is different

but I meant supposedly unathletic guys with high bbiq who many people underestimated coming out of college

Harden was a much higher picks, but there wasn’t a lot of hoopla surrounding him until this season really

I guess I don't see it.

I was sure Harden was going to be really good watching him dominate at ASU (and dunk on a bunch of people, not sure you can call him unathletic). I think playing in the desert for a shitty school no one cares about definitely led to him being underrated.

Klay is exactly what people expected him to be, though. A guy that can stand still and shoot at a high rate.

I was sure Harden

Oh, right. You were sure, therefore everyone else was.

Klay is exactly what people expected him to be, though. A guy that can stand still and shoot at a high rate.

He’s clearly more than that. He’s not standing still when he’s coming off screens. He’s also driven to the basket enough to suggest he has that capability.

Harden was taken 3rd though, and the first pick was Griffin, so how underrated was he?

I already said he was taken 3rd

but still people didn’t really appreciate his game until OKC got to the playoffs

I mean, if you ask J-RIDAH, he didn’t even know who he was until a few days ago

Oh, right. You were sure, therefore everyone else was.

Did you not read my next sentence?

He’s clearly more than that. He’s not standing still when he’s coming off screens. He’s also driven to the basket enough to suggest he has that capability.

Ok. Change “stand still and shoot” to “catch a pass and shoot.”

86.4 %AST and .7 FGA/G at the rim (and a .03 FTR) say it all. He obviously has time (and room) to develop, but he’s exactly who people thought he would be at this point. A guy that can shoot really well but won’t drive or create his own shot.

The main similarity that prompted my original comment was that they are both arguably better than the starting SG that they come in for. Harden clearly is. Klay arguably is already, but certainly will be sooner or later, if he isn’t already.

Sure. I can get on board with that.
A guy that can stand still and shoot at a high rate.

actually he’s shown a talent for moving to the right spot at the right time. The things he has not done well are things that are fixable and will fix themselves with more experience.

"dubs in paris"

…..that sh** klay…

Another WSU fan here to give you a little insight on Klay.

In my opinion his biggest strength is that he is always adding to his game. He will take his weaknesses and work on them all summer and turn them into a strength. His freshman year he was strictly a catch and shoot player. He only took 31 free throws. His sophomore year he started attacking the basket and took 166. His Junior year he really improved his ball handling and play making, and even added a little post up game. He’s not the type of guy who is going to be content with being spot up shooter, he will put in the time to become more than that.

And that, my friend,

Is why he will be great.

He's not better than Kawhi...
Even if he is...

He’s 2 years older than him..

Because Kawhi is likely or even certain to improve two years from now, while Klay does not.

Since Kawhi himself is already one of the top rookies, I'd bet he's the better player at 21 or 22.

Well, he’s got 16 months to prove the difference. You think that’s going to be enough time?

I think they'll both be good.

We just need to keep that in mind.

They may yet. I wouldn’t doubt it.

Actually 1 yr, 4.5 mos

Hopefully Kawhi’s hands stop growing, because he is going to have a tough time becoming a good shooter with those frying pans.

Haha

On the bright side, he’ll be rebounding everything in sight…

On the bright side, he’ll be rebounding everything in sight…

don’t forget shotblocking and pass deflecting too

don’t forget shotblocking and pass deflecting too

And swatting flies, playing peek-a-boo, stretching out gloves, blocking the glare of the sun for small crowds, directing traffic, and B slapping fools.

Nice

That’s hilarious.

I love me some klay thompson but

when it comes down to it burks is the more complete player and has shown it when he gets minutes. Better defender(suprisingly improved his defense alot after the draft), not afraid to drive/is a good slasher and obviously not as good of a shooter, but has improved especially his three game. Plus it’s easier to improve tyour jumpshot than to improve your driving ability and change your mindset as a player

when it comes down to it burks is the more complete player

I was for Burks over Klank due to his athleticism but Klay has performed quite well for a rookie and I’m happy with him. I haven’t seen any of burk’s play so I don’t know if I’d still prefer him.

he's played well when he gets time

which he is starting to do.
Past three games
10.6 points
.6 TOs
3 Rebounds
1 steal per game
17.6 minutes
pretty solid, saw him alot at colorado and saw kthompson at WSU since Im a cal and colorado fan and I think bth are poised for sucess

Don't Be Like The Front Office

He looks like he will be a nice player. Don’t over value him like the front office does with all Warrior players. He won’t ever be a star, but he will be have a decent career if he stays healthy

according to MJ kthompson can be the next ray allen

i like the guy but come on

Jerry West What Happened To You? The Warrior Curse?

Has there really been a Jerry West sighting? I figured he had was trying to figure out a way to disassociate himself from Udoh and the amnesty debacle. Mr. Logo has done squat to help this franchise so far. They are still making the same stupid decisions they always have.

He's secretly trying to figure out how to trade Curry for D-Fish.
if we trade monta, for a good center.

we need klay thompson to be good and ready.

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