This fanshot is more about how badly the Warrior's need to can Larry Riley.
Sorry for extending the Lin-sanity streak on GSOM - I just feel we need to talk about our GM situation because it's been bugging me personally more than anything.
I agree that Larry Riley needs to go, but not for this.
I’d like to point out that nobody criticized the Warriors for dumping the then-useless Lin to go for a dominant bigman which they needed BADLY. Anyone who thought it was a bad move had a bias for Lin because he wasn’t that good.
Yeah, now we look stupid, but if Lin even remotely showed he was capable of this we probably would have done differently.
I believe everything that goes on in this world can be traced to somehow screwing the Warriors.
Lin would have not gotten this many attention and played as good because our team isn’t that good compared to New York. New York has functioning defenders on PF and Center spots. NEW YORK needed a Starting PG not a a backup PG. We didn’t need him as a starter, but if he backed up for Curry I would love.
In terms of firing Riley, I agree that if he does not get anything done come this trade deadline, he must go because by god we are not aggresive.
With all the injuries, Lin is basically playing with Knicks second unit and still wining. Melo and Amare are not even playing, their lineup is worst than ours.
No one should be allow to keep their job by keeping Acie Law and Charlie Bell. You should get ban from basketball from having Acie Law and Charlie Bell
People who were following him and were looking at his stats, his composure, his defense, his handles and his success in college wanted to keep him. Lacob himself tried to get him back.
A lot of people wanted him to get playing time over Acie Law and Bell...
Not to mention people were criticizing Riley the second we heard he was waived and we were going to let Reggie walk just to add a few million to an offer that was going to be matched. You’d be surprised how many people were upset: yes there’s a few who jumped ship, but I personally as well as people like Evanz and Freud were kind of baffled at the decisions made. Even Lacob wanted to keep him and was going ot try to resign him if he cleared waivers.
This just shows just how dumb Keith Smart was last year. How is Keith Smart even coaching in the NBA? He overplays Monta, sits Curry and rots Reggie Williams, plays maybe the worst NBA player in the league last year, Acie Law, regularly.
D’Antoni was slow, it took him 20 games, but Keith Smart had an entire season to be stupid.
Every scout claiming nobody knew how good they were is spinning truth. They downplayed good plays Lin made and amplified his mistakes to fit their prejudice of him as a player.
There are probably hundreds of Jeremy Lins out there who could play good college ball and deserve a chance, the chance Jeremy Lin never got being the only California HS player of the year ever to not receive a single D-I scholarship.
This is exactly true I think NBA scouting is flawed
so much of player performance is based on playing time and so many players never get a chance to play. There really was no excuse for Reggie Williams to go undrafted either. I think our current Lin right now is Charles Jenkins, I think he could be a fine player if given more of a chance.
the Smart coached young Kings just beat the Thunder you know? That’s more impressive than Lin’s 38 points. Guards on teams with bad scorers often put up high numbers.Arenas averaged over 25 PPG for a couple of seasons after he left here.
You know the Knicks just beat the Lakers behind Lin right?
The difference is that NY was a 12-15 team and the lakers are a 15-12 team so it’s no surprise that Lin dropped 38 and NY won when the lakers played crappy. While the Thunder are a 21-6 team and Sac is a very young 10-16 team so Smart has to coach them well to get the win.
In your opinion. In this case, the opinion counts for very little, given the hundreds of posts you’ve made here slobbering over the Kings, and the similar number you’ve made snarkily dismissing Jeremy Lin.
The Thunder are going to lose 20-25 games every year. There’s nothing remotely amazing about them dropping a random regular season game to an inferior team, particularly given the compressed schedule. On the other hand, what Lin’s done over the last four games is truly amazing — nay, historic. In NYC, in the Bay Area, and nationwide, it’s the biggest story of the NBA season so far, by a pretty wide margin. So, like,
Haha, Binky just had a 39 point game and Montay a 48 pointer and everyone wants to replace them with Lin cause he scored 38? That was almost half the points scored in that game so it just tells me his team has no other option and is riding him hard. I didn’t see the Lakers/knicks game but the boxscore says artest 0, bynum 3,and gasol 16 so the lakers were not on their game, if Lin had beat them with gasol, bynum, and artest having average nights I’d be more impressed. It will be more useful to see how he plays against the thunder.
That dog with sunglasses looks like something they’d post on the sacto site :>)
First no one's clamoring to trade Lin for Monta or Biedrins...
And if they are they’re dumb. Second the Biedrins game was last season. Third D’Antoni said that he’s riding Lin hard so that’s been acknowledged. Fourth, if Lin’s putting the team on his back when no one else can score isn’t that a positive thing? It shows leadership and intangibles as well as an ability to score at will and run and offense. Fifth, Bynum missed a bunch of easy dunks so thats not particularly Lin’s fault but possibly credit to Chandler, Artest’s average night isn’t an offensively based one: his job is defense. Gasol played about an average night. Part of the reason why they weren’t playing so well is Kobe was overshooting and shooting the lakers out of games.
Dude I can understand if you don’t like the hype, but give the kid some credit. He was about to be cut for Mike James, and he explodes with great games that definitely has flaws but are still good games.
I already gave him credit years ago. I said graduating from Harvard was better than anything basketball related. Looks like he’s keeping up the hard work now on the court but I’m still more impressed with the good education as that’s what will get more kids ahead in life.
“He has been phenomenal,” Bryant said. "We have watched some tape on him. We came up with a strategy that we thought would be effective, but he was knocking down his jump shot, penetrating and he got around our guards. …
“Players don’t usually come out of nowhere. If you can go back and take a look, his skill level was probably there from the beginning, but no one ever noticed. … It is a great story. It is a testament to perseverance and hard work. It is a good example to kids everywhere.”
Lol Smart claimed he knew this was going to happen.
Moron…
Kobe’s right though. No one just becomes good all of a sudden… He just needed the chance to shine and he took it.
Versus when we see players who have perpetually shown the same flaws over and over and we still expect them to be better (cough cough Monta, cough cough McGee, cough cough most of the Warrior players hype).
Do you play an undrafted rookie or second year player in favor of your leading scorer who has proven to be durable through out a season despite playing high minutes when you know the only realistic way you will continue to be the head coach is to make the playoffs?
Besides the fact that Smart was gone long before we let go of Lin and yet every other person involved with the orginization did not see the potential in the player and let him go on the off chance that they could land a big. Plus the fact that before even that, they drafted Charles Jenkins in the second round to compete for the back up PG position.
In there defense, I can’t say I saw Lin as being anything other than a productive back up, but it is still more than what they saw and now we get to watch Spike Lee enjoy the fruit of our mistake.
First of all no one was saying he was going to play first string.
Most people were upset that he didn’t play backup. If you saw games when he played limited minutes he made people around him a lot better and showed defense. Yes he didn’t show what he’s showing now, but he’s better than Law just because Law is old and isn’t going to get better, whereas with minutes Lin could learn the game a lot faster.
I’m sorry, but I don’t see anywhere in my post where I mentioned about Lin starting. His starting would have taken away minutes that his starters were playing.
Now if we are under the argument that Smart should have given minutes given away to Acie Law, then I might tend to agree with you under normal circumstances. Last season was not the case however. Smart was a lame duck coach who’s only chance of receiving a second year was to make the playoffs. Acie Law is by no means no ones idea of a world beater, but he is a veteran player who you know what you will get from him night in and night out.
You play Lin, there is the small chance that he surprises everyone and plays well enough to help your team into the playoffs, but there is probably a greater chance he goes through some growing pains as a rookie and even though he is gaining valuable experience, you miss the playoffs and your out the door.
I just don’t get the notion that the lack of player development on the back end of our bench last season falls on Keith Smart. If the team philosophy was to develop someone like Lin, I’m sure the FO would have been more than adamant about him getting some regular PT with the big club rather than trying to groom him along in the D-League with occasional garbage minutes when he was at the end of the Warriors bench.
whereas you get good defense, penetration, and ball movement with Lin.
And that fear is part of the reason why people are so mad at Smart. He played to keep his job yes, but he played it safe. And the Warriors are where they are now for playing it safe (and dumb).
Based on your logic, we should play our starters 48 minutes and never play Jenkins, Tyler, or any of our young guys because we don’t want some new guys taking minutes from our starters… Basketball requires at least an 8-9 man rotation.
but again, Lin was undrafted, a percieved project. Klay is our first round pick, we drafted Jenkins in the 2nd and paid $2mil. for the rights to Tyler. So the team is a bit more invested in these guys.
I mean, what’s done is done, Smart is gone and yet we are looking at another non-playoff season. So wether you agree or disagree with his rotations or how he used (or didn’t use) his bench, it looks like this teams problem went beyond the head coach.
I just don’t get the notion that the lack of player development on the back end of our bench last season falls on Keith Smart.
it don’t. These Lin fanboys just want the world to revolve around their fanaticism. Smart has gotten great performance out of the young Kings since he stepped up to head coach and he did fine with what he had last year here too.If we’d kept him we’d be just as well off as we are under MFJ. We need bigger players not a different coach.
USE THE AMNESTY ON ANDRIS BIEDRINS??? Dude, Andris is our starting center. The smart thing to do would have been to hang on to the amnesty and use it on David Lee two years from now, when his contract gets way too big. (I like Lee, for the record, but he does get far too expensive.)
is a Lakers loss
I love that Kobe was saying before the game he had no idea who Lin was – I guess you know him now!
I am not too broken up that we let him go – we are fine in the backcourt. I am mostly just happy to see a local boy do great. It will be interesting to see if Lin or Jenkins has the better career.
Guards on our team generally don’t get a lot of playing time when we have both Monta and Curry. Unless one is gone, a backup guard will play no longer than 5-10 minutes a game. And if history repeats itself even further, Jenkins will go to another team and explode. But I think Lin’s situation with 2 all stars favors him.
Jenkins has not proven a thing so far in his career. Zilch.
Lin has proven little in small sample size. But still wwwaaayyy more than Jenkins.
Lin has average speed, but a quick first step. Jenkins is noticeably slower than Lin.
but seriously, he is doing great things in NY. There’s no way he would be doing this here in GS, though. Remember, this is a D’antoni offense, any real PG will be successful in it. But he is proving that he belongs in the league, there’s no doubt.
So many parallels with Tom Brady and Jeremy Lin. Jeremy Lin is NOT a system point guard. He is merely ultra gracious in giving credit to D’Antoni even if he thinks otherwise.
Last year Jeremy Lin led the Warriors in PER and 2nd in plus/minus. He led all NBA guards last year in steals and blocks per-36. MULTIPLE advanced stats showed the kid deserved more playing time instead of rotting on the bench.
It isn’t D’Antoni. D’Antoni’s smartest move this year was giving Lin playing time, which is something Keith Dumb couldn’t do all season long last year.
Even the people who saw some value in Lin while he was here still thought of him as a possible back-up. He didn’t get a lot of minutes here, but he didn’t dominate those minutes, either. He played some OK D, had a few lay-ups, but mostly looked like a deer in headlights.
Let’s not pretend like our front office is stupid because of Lin… Houston let him go, and NYC almost did, too. Nobody on this board saw him as the player he’s been the past 4 games. Not sure if the NYC situation is just perfect, the stars are aligned, or if Lin put in serious work in the off-season…or a combination of the three…. but, while I’m sad to have let him go, I don’t see him as a failure of our FO.
He has scored more points in his first 3 starts than any player since the NBA merger. Even the most loyal Lin fans couldn’t have called this kind of success. No way anyone saw Lin blowing up in this way.
He worked crazy hard during the offseason/lockout.
I predicted he had the potential to be a starter at least. I HATED that we got rid of him. I’m a Knicks fan now, though. I hope Lin and Melo don’t get along, so they trade Melo for someone I like. I like Chandler a lot and Amar’e, too, so that’s a team I will be following. (I’m still a Warriors fan, of course… unless we lose Curry and/or Udoh).
It makes you question your fan hood. I have been a warriors fan all 26 years of my life. It defines me in a way being a fan of losing team. The thing is, I am tired of it. I just want to see the playoffs once every 3 years. I do not feel like I am asking for much. The warriors have been to the playoffs once in 17 years in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs. I have considered writing a fan post about the positive and negative aspects of being a warriors fan.
Now I watch Jeremy Lin and Tyson Chandler(prayed he would sign here) two people I hoped would be Warriors for a long time. I always liked what Lin did off the bench because while he looked uncomfortable on offense here, he came out and played pressure defense. I am a big believer in having contrasting players on your team. He was basically the opposite of Curry, thus a really good back up for him.. Now all I have to say is go Knicks(never thought I would root on a New York Team) and get it together warriors.
I always liked what Lin did off the bench because while he looked uncomfortable on offense here, he came out and played pressure defense. I am a big believer in having contrasting players on your team. He was basically the opposite of Curry, thus a really good back up for him.
Yeah, basically this. What bums me even more is that if we had made half an effort to dump Monta for a bag of balls with an expiring contract (something I’m pretty sure we could have got for him), we could have a non-big rotation something like this:
Bigger, more efficient, better defensively, and much cheaper than what we have. Lin-mania drives local fans crazy, makes the team better, and draws the eyes of the hoops world to the Bay. And the financial flexibility and/or talent gained by dumping Monta’s $11M contract allows us to sign another solid, defensive-minded big man.
Instead, we continue to hitch our team’s wagon to Monta’s perennial poor defense, poor rebounding, and inefficient offense, and — for all his highlght-reel moves and occasional great games — he continues to drag the team into perennial 30-35 win hell. Yay.
I honestly cannot say that. I thought Lin showed a few signs of real promise when he was here — loved his athleticism, size, fire, activity on D and the boards, and ability to penetrate. But his jumper looked always pretty broken to me (still kinda does, even though it’s been wet the last few games). Then again, shooting is the one area in which young players can and do make big strides.
Mostly I’m just miffed and bummed that he was never even given an opportunity to shine here, given how far out of the playoffs we were. If he had been given starters’ minutes for even a half-dozen games, and had failed the audition, I’d be much less miffed and bummed.
But thought he’s a better backup than Law and Jenkins and had some promise as a quality rotation backup PG to steph if he ever went down. Instead we used Ish Smith…
NOBODY expected Lin to play at this level four games in a row – not even Lin. He is playing in a great system for his style of play and he has clearly gotten better with his jumper and is far more aggressive on offense – good for him. In addition, Monta and Curry could also duplicate those same numbers and a) nobody would notice because we are the Warriors, and b) we’d probably still end up losing.
I am happy for Lin and think letting him go when we did, while disappointing, was not a surprise based on what we had seen. I am curious to see who has the better long term career – Lin or Jenkins. When we got Jenkins we saw it as a potential upgrade at the PG spot. I wish he got more playing time.
My big question is what happens when Melo and Stat return – will the Knicks run as well as they have but with better fire power (scary) or will they revert to old ways, the only way Melo knows how to play?
And in response to the main intention of the thread
LARRY RILEY NEEDS TO GO!!!
Not because of Lin but many other moves, besides, if he isn’t really pulling the strings, then why do they keep trotting him out there to take the blame. He was also a classy guy who seemed earnest, but he represents the past too much
On a Sidenote. The Knicks just elevated to a whole new level of greatness.
Now that they have their starting PG, the lineup will look like Lin/Fields/Melo/Amare/Chandler. FUDGEMONKEY. But I think Melo will somehow bring them down :P
I agree that Larry Riley needs to go, but not for this.
I’d like to point out that nobody criticized the Warriors for dumping the then-useless Lin to go for a dominant bigman which they needed BADLY. Anyone who thought it was a bad move had a bias for Lin because he wasn’t that good.
Yeah, now we look stupid, but if Lin even remotely showed he was capable of this we probably would have done differently.
I believe everything that goes on in this world can be traced to somehow screwing the Warriors.
true torture - February 10, 2012
I agree.
Lin would have not gotten this many attention and played as good because our team isn’t that good compared to New York. New York has functioning defenders on PF and Center spots. NEW YORK needed a Starting PG not a a backup PG. We didn’t need him as a starter, but if he backed up for Curry I would love.
In terms of firing Riley, I agree that if he does not get anything done come this trade deadline, he must go because by god we are not aggresive.
bimmercirem3 - February 10, 2012
No sure what you are saying...
With all the injuries, Lin is basically playing with Knicks second unit and still wining. Melo and Amare are not even playing, their lineup is worst than ours.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 10, 2012
Acie Law
No one should be allow to keep their job by keeping Acie Law and Charlie Bell. You should get ban from basketball from having Acie Law and Charlie Bell
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
We don't need starting PG?
Are you serious? We got 2 sixth man type of players running PG right now.
farid - February 11, 2012
you think curry is a 6th man?
Where have you been…
Nith - February 11, 2012
People who were following him and were looking at his stats, his composure, his defense, his handles and his success in college wanted to keep him. Lacob himself tried to get him back.
Naticus - February 11, 2012
A lot of people wanted him to get playing time over Acie Law and Bell...
Not to mention people were criticizing Riley the second we heard he was waived and we were going to let Reggie walk just to add a few million to an offer that was going to be matched. You’d be surprised how many people were upset: yes there’s a few who jumped ship, but I personally as well as people like Evanz and Freud were kind of baffled at the decisions made. Even Lacob wanted to keep him and was going ot try to resign him if he cleared waivers.
Nith - February 11, 2012
That was a Lincredible performance. That was Lintense. That was Linvigorating to watch. This game will be forever Linscribed in my memory.
38 points 13-23 .565% fg, 4 rebs, 7 ast, 2 stls. Thats excellent.
Hey if anything Warriors can take some credit for developing him. He probably got some tips on penetrating from Monta. Haha.
MonstaEllis - February 10, 2012
If he got some tips from Monta, he will never pass the ball
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 10, 2012
Keith Smart = Looks Dumber Every Single Day
This just shows just how dumb Keith Smart was last year. How is Keith Smart even coaching in the NBA? He overplays Monta, sits Curry and rots Reggie Williams, plays maybe the worst NBA player in the league last year, Acie Law, regularly.
D’Antoni was slow, it took him 20 games, but Keith Smart had an entire season to be stupid.
Every scout claiming nobody knew how good they were is spinning truth. They downplayed good plays Lin made and amplified his mistakes to fit their prejudice of him as a player.
There are probably hundreds of Jeremy Lins out there who could play good college ball and deserve a chance, the chance Jeremy Lin never got being the only California HS player of the year ever to not receive a single D-I scholarship.
BayMind - February 10, 2012
This is exactly true I think NBA scouting is flawed
so much of player performance is based on playing time and so many players never get a chance to play. There really was no excuse for Reggie Williams to go undrafted either. I think our current Lin right now is Charles Jenkins, I think he could be a fine player if given more of a chance.
brutusbrutus - February 10, 2012
Keith Smart = Looks Dumber Every Single Day
the Smart coached young Kings just beat the Thunder you know? That’s more impressive than Lin’s 38 points. Guards on teams with bad scorers often put up high numbers.Arenas averaged over 25 PPG for a couple of seasons after he left here.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 10, 2012
You know the Knicks just beat the Lakers behind Lin right?
It’s not just the fact that he got good numbers, his team is WINNING.
Newton Pham - February 10, 2012
You know the Knicks just beat the Lakers behind Lin right?
The difference is that NY was a 12-15 team and the lakers are a 15-12 team so it’s no surprise that Lin dropped 38 and NY won when the lakers played crappy. While the Thunder are a 21-6 team and Sac is a very young 10-16 team so Smart has to coach them well to get the win.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 11, 2012
In your opinion. In this case, the opinion counts for very little, given the hundreds of posts you’ve made here slobbering over the Kings, and the similar number you’ve made snarkily dismissing Jeremy Lin.
The Thunder are going to lose 20-25 games every year. There’s nothing remotely amazing about them dropping a random regular season game to an inferior team, particularly given the compressed schedule. On the other hand, what Lin’s done over the last four games is truly amazing — nay, historic. In NYC, in the Bay Area, and nationwide, it’s the biggest story of the NBA season so far, by a pretty wide margin. So, like,
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
That’s more impressive than Lin’s 38 points.
Haha, Binky just had a 39 point game and Montay a 48 pointer and everyone wants to replace them with Lin cause he scored 38? That was almost half the points scored in that game so it just tells me his team has no other option and is riding him hard. I didn’t see the Lakers/knicks game but the boxscore says artest 0, bynum 3,and gasol 16 so the lakers were not on their game, if Lin had beat them with gasol, bynum, and artest having average nights I’d be more impressed. It will be more useful to see how he plays against the thunder.
That dog with sunglasses looks like something they’d post on the sacto site :>)
Skeptic con Urquell - February 11, 2012
First no one's clamoring to trade Lin for Monta or Biedrins...
And if they are they’re dumb. Second the Biedrins game was last season. Third D’Antoni said that he’s riding Lin hard so that’s been acknowledged. Fourth, if Lin’s putting the team on his back when no one else can score isn’t that a positive thing? It shows leadership and intangibles as well as an ability to score at will and run and offense. Fifth, Bynum missed a bunch of easy dunks so thats not particularly Lin’s fault but possibly credit to Chandler, Artest’s average night isn’t an offensively based one: his job is defense. Gasol played about an average night. Part of the reason why they weren’t playing so well is Kobe was overshooting and shooting the lakers out of games.
Dude I can understand if you don’t like the hype, but give the kid some credit. He was about to be cut for Mike James, and he explodes with great games that definitely has flaws but are still good games.
Nith - February 11, 2012
, but give the kid some credit.
I already gave him credit years ago. I said graduating from Harvard was better than anything basketball related. Looks like he’s keeping up the hard work now on the court but I’m still more impressed with the good education as that’s what will get more kids ahead in life.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 11, 2012
Kobe Bryant's comments on Lin (post-game)
Kobe Bryant on Lin (now he knows who he is):
“He has been phenomenal,” Bryant said. "We have watched some tape on him. We came up with a strategy that we thought would be effective, but he was knocking down his jump shot, penetrating and he got around our guards. …
“Players don’t usually come out of nowhere. If you can go back and take a look, his skill level was probably there from the beginning, but no one ever noticed. … It is a great story. It is a testament to perseverance and hard work. It is a good example to kids everywhere.”
“NO ONE EVER NOTICED”
BayMind - February 10, 2012
I think Warriors fans notice, even Lacob notice
I was that Keith Smart guy didn’t notice and thought AC Law is CP3.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 10, 2012
Lol Smart claimed he knew this was going to happen.
Moron…
Kobe’s right though. No one just becomes good all of a sudden… He just needed the chance to shine and he took it.
Versus when we see players who have perpetually shown the same flaws over and over and we still expect them to be better (cough cough Monta, cough cough McGee, cough cough most of the Warrior players hype).
Nith - February 11, 2012
What did Keith Smart do to You?
Do you play an undrafted rookie or second year player in favor of your leading scorer who has proven to be durable through out a season despite playing high minutes when you know the only realistic way you will continue to be the head coach is to make the playoffs?
Besides the fact that Smart was gone long before we let go of Lin and yet every other person involved with the orginization did not see the potential in the player and let him go on the off chance that they could land a big. Plus the fact that before even that, they drafted Charles Jenkins in the second round to compete for the back up PG position.
In there defense, I can’t say I saw Lin as being anything other than a productive back up, but it is still more than what they saw and now we get to watch Spike Lee enjoy the fruit of our mistake.
ajtrinc - February 11, 2012
First of all no one was saying he was going to play first string.
Most people were upset that he didn’t play backup. If you saw games when he played limited minutes he made people around him a lot better and showed defense. Yes he didn’t show what he’s showing now, but he’s better than Law just because Law is old and isn’t going to get better, whereas with minutes Lin could learn the game a lot faster.
Read people’s post before you get so emphatic.
Nith - February 11, 2012
Excuse me
I’m sorry, but I don’t see anywhere in my post where I mentioned about Lin starting. His starting would have taken away minutes that his starters were playing.
Now if we are under the argument that Smart should have given minutes given away to Acie Law, then I might tend to agree with you under normal circumstances. Last season was not the case however. Smart was a lame duck coach who’s only chance of receiving a second year was to make the playoffs. Acie Law is by no means no ones idea of a world beater, but he is a veteran player who you know what you will get from him night in and night out.
You play Lin, there is the small chance that he surprises everyone and plays well enough to help your team into the playoffs, but there is probably a greater chance he goes through some growing pains as a rookie and even though he is gaining valuable experience, you miss the playoffs and your out the door.
I just don’t get the notion that the lack of player development on the back end of our bench last season falls on Keith Smart. If the team philosophy was to develop someone like Lin, I’m sure the FO would have been more than adamant about him getting some regular PT with the big club rather than trying to groom him along in the D-League with occasional garbage minutes when he was at the end of the Warriors bench.
ajtrinc - February 11, 2012
Meant to say any minutes he would get would have taken away from minutes played by our starters.
ajtrinc - February 11, 2012
yeah you know you get nothing out of Acie Law
whereas you get good defense, penetration, and ball movement with Lin.
And that fear is part of the reason why people are so mad at Smart. He played to keep his job yes, but he played it safe. And the Warriors are where they are now for playing it safe (and dumb).
Based on your logic, we should play our starters 48 minutes and never play Jenkins, Tyler, or any of our young guys because we don’t want some new guys taking minutes from our starters… Basketball requires at least an 8-9 man rotation.
Nith - February 11, 2012
True....
but again, Lin was undrafted, a percieved project. Klay is our first round pick, we drafted Jenkins in the 2nd and paid $2mil. for the rights to Tyler. So the team is a bit more invested in these guys.
I mean, what’s done is done, Smart is gone and yet we are looking at another non-playoff season. So wether you agree or disagree with his rotations or how he used (or didn’t use) his bench, it looks like this teams problem went beyond the head coach.
ajtrinc - February 11, 2012
I just don’t get the notion that the lack of player development on the back end of our bench last season falls on Keith Smart.
it don’t. These Lin fanboys just want the world to revolve around their fanaticism. Smart has gotten great performance out of the young Kings since he stepped up to head coach and he did fine with what he had last year here too.If we’d kept him we’d be just as well off as we are under MFJ. We need bigger players not a different coach.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 12, 2012
I don't even think this was something only Riley was for...
GovernorStephCurry - February 10, 2012
Probably
But Riley still needs to go.
I will cry when we somehow magically win the lottery and he justifies Patric Young’s ‘college acumen’ over Anthony Davis.
tafkasam - February 11, 2012
Can we please let go of riley?
He skips out on Greg Monroe, does not use the amnesty on AB, and now this! Come on!
goaldenstateboy - February 10, 2012
USE THE AMNESTY ON ANDRIS BIEDRINS??? Dude, Andris is our starting center. The smart thing to do would have been to hang on to the amnesty and use it on David Lee two years from now, when his contract gets way too big. (I like Lee, for the record, but he does get far too expensive.)
Naticus - February 11, 2012
Our starting center only plays
averages 17 minutes a game and 2 points
GSWeri - February 11, 2012
the next best thing to a warriors win
is a Lakers loss
I love that Kobe was saying before the game he had no idea who Lin was – I guess you know him now!
I am not too broken up that we let him go – we are fine in the backcourt. I am mostly just happy to see a local boy do great. It will be interesting to see if Lin or Jenkins has the better career.
Togna Balogna - February 10, 2012
Lin just because if history repeats itself
Guards on our team generally don’t get a lot of playing time when we have both Monta and Curry. Unless one is gone, a backup guard will play no longer than 5-10 minutes a game. And if history repeats itself even further, Jenkins will go to another team and explode. But I think Lin’s situation with 2 all stars favors him.
Nith - February 11, 2012
I agree with you.
Jenkins will go to Denver ( or something ) and get triple double every night for George Carl.
farid - February 11, 2012
Charles Jenkins could probably average alotta points in D’Antoni’s system. How much did Nate average there?
J-RIDAH - February 11, 2012
That's pure speculation, Chuck.
Jenkins has not proven a thing so far in his career. Zilch.
Lin has proven little in small sample size. But still wwwaaayyy more than Jenkins.
Lin has average speed, but a quick first step. Jenkins is noticeably slower than Lin.
Jenkins is more muscular – I’ll give you that.
RumTMC - February 15, 2012
Lin doin' work
but seriously, he is doing great things in NY. There’s no way he would be doing this here in GS, though. Remember, this is a D’antoni offense, any real PG will be successful in it. But he is proving that he belongs in the league, there’s no doubt.
jpees - February 10, 2012
this
Most people assume it’s Lin only, but a huge portion of it is D’Antoni’s system.
Nith - February 11, 2012
Lin is NOT a system QB. Oops I meant PG.
So many parallels with Tom Brady and Jeremy Lin. Jeremy Lin is NOT a system point guard. He is merely ultra gracious in giving credit to D’Antoni even if he thinks otherwise.
Last year Jeremy Lin led the Warriors in PER and 2nd in plus/minus. He led all NBA guards last year in steals and blocks per-36. MULTIPLE advanced stats showed the kid deserved more playing time instead of rotting on the bench.
It isn’t D’Antoni. D’Antoni’s smartest move this year was giving Lin playing time, which is something Keith Dumb couldn’t do all season long last year.
BayMind - February 11, 2012
Read the other post about lin on the front page for my response to this.
It’s both. The world is not black and white. And nice copy paste from the last post.
Nith - February 11, 2012
Nobody saw it.
Even the people who saw some value in Lin while he was here still thought of him as a possible back-up. He didn’t get a lot of minutes here, but he didn’t dominate those minutes, either. He played some OK D, had a few lay-ups, but mostly looked like a deer in headlights.
Let’s not pretend like our front office is stupid because of Lin… Houston let him go, and NYC almost did, too. Nobody on this board saw him as the player he’s been the past 4 games. Not sure if the NYC situation is just perfect, the stars are aligned, or if Lin put in serious work in the off-season…or a combination of the three…. but, while I’m sad to have let him go, I don’t see him as a failure of our FO.
warriorsablaze - February 10, 2012
I think many Warriors fans saw it since last year's summer league and pre-season games.
Lin was driving to get and 1 most of the time, and he always able to find the open man, especially Reggie, to get lots of open 3’s.
ILoveWarriorsGirls - February 10, 2012
Some of us saw starter potential. None of us expected this, though. This is just absurd.
Naticus - February 11, 2012
Let’s not pretend like our front office is stupid because of Lin…
They were stupid long before Lin got here. Letting him go based on the evidence they had was probably one of the smarter things they did.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 11, 2012
Hey, at least it was against the Lakers
ba da ba ba baaaaa I’m lovin’ it!
Killjoy - February 10, 2012
Even Darryl Morey got duped...
And he is one of the top GM’s in the league. Everyone makes mistakes.
ClipperBEAST - February 10, 2012
Did you guys see that stat?
He has scored more points in his first 3 starts than any player since the NBA merger. Even the most loyal Lin fans couldn’t have called this kind of success. No way anyone saw Lin blowing up in this way.
He worked crazy hard during the offseason/lockout.
disguy - February 10, 2012
this is undoubtably..
warriors luck
GSWeri - February 11, 2012
with a hint of stupidity
GSWeri - February 11, 2012
guess houston’s GM should also be fired. And all the other teams, for that matter, that didn’t draft him.
Slightly Hyphy - February 11, 2012
Yup.
Fire them all.
GovernorStephCurry - February 11, 2012
Jeremy Lin
what the fucxking fuxk
iStoner - February 11, 2012
Acie Law
we need to re sign Acie Law just to refreshing the wound
Lawrence9ers - February 11, 2012
I predicted he had the potential to be a starter at least. I HATED that we got rid of him. I’m a Knicks fan now, though. I hope Lin and Melo don’t get along, so they trade Melo for someone I like. I like Chandler a lot and Amar’e, too, so that’s a team I will be following. (I’m still a Warriors fan, of course… unless we lose Curry and/or Udoh).
Naticus - February 11, 2012
Thats the thing with Linsanity
It makes you question your fan hood. I have been a warriors fan all 26 years of my life. It defines me in a way being a fan of losing team. The thing is, I am tired of it. I just want to see the playoffs once every 3 years. I do not feel like I am asking for much. The warriors have been to the playoffs once in 17 years in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs. I have considered writing a fan post about the positive and negative aspects of being a warriors fan.
Now I watch Jeremy Lin and Tyson Chandler(prayed he would sign here) two people I hoped would be Warriors for a long time. I always liked what Lin did off the bench because while he looked uncomfortable on offense here, he came out and played pressure defense. I am a big believer in having contrasting players on your team. He was basically the opposite of Curry, thus a really good back up for him.. Now all I have to say is go Knicks(never thought I would root on a New York Team) and get it together warriors.
Oracle Junkie - February 11, 2012
Yeah, basically this. What bums me even more is that if we had made half an effort to dump Monta for a bag of balls with an expiring contract (something I’m pretty sure we could have got for him), we could have a non-big rotation something like this:
Primary ballhandler: Curry 24 / Lin 24
Wings: Wright 30 / Klay 26 / Rush 20 / Curry 12 / McGuire 8
Bigger, more efficient, better defensively, and much cheaper than what we have. Lin-mania drives local fans crazy, makes the team better, and draws the eyes of the hoops world to the Bay. And the financial flexibility and/or talent gained by dumping Monta’s $11M contract allows us to sign another solid, defensive-minded big man.
Instead, we continue to hitch our team’s wagon to Monta’s perennial poor defense, poor rebounding, and inefficient offense, and — for all his highlght-reel moves and occasional great games — he continues to drag the team into perennial 30-35 win hell. Yay.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Rec’d.
Nith - February 11, 2012
Raise your hand if you can honestly say that when Lin was released you was mad because you thought he’d be a starter in the league.
J-RIDAH - February 11, 2012
I honestly cannot say that. I thought Lin showed a few signs of real promise when he was here — loved his athleticism, size, fire, activity on D and the boards, and ability to penetrate. But his jumper looked always pretty broken to me (still kinda does, even though it’s been wet the last few games). Then again, shooting is the one area in which young players can and do make big strides.
Mostly I’m just miffed and bummed that he was never even given an opportunity to shine here, given how far out of the playoffs we were. If he had been given starters’ minutes for even a half-dozen games, and had failed the audition, I’d be much less miffed and bummed.
Sleepy Freud - February 11, 2012
Didn't think he'd be a starter
But thought he’s a better backup than Law and Jenkins and had some promise as a quality rotation backup PG to steph if he ever went down. Instead we used Ish Smith…
Nith - February 11, 2012
I thought he was a good backup.
GovernorStephCurry - February 12, 2012
Let's be realistic here
NOBODY expected Lin to play at this level four games in a row – not even Lin. He is playing in a great system for his style of play and he has clearly gotten better with his jumper and is far more aggressive on offense – good for him. In addition, Monta and Curry could also duplicate those same numbers and a) nobody would notice because we are the Warriors, and b) we’d probably still end up losing.
I am happy for Lin and think letting him go when we did, while disappointing, was not a surprise based on what we had seen. I am curious to see who has the better long term career – Lin or Jenkins. When we got Jenkins we saw it as a potential upgrade at the PG spot. I wish he got more playing time.
My big question is what happens when Melo and Stat return – will the Knicks run as well as they have but with better fire power (scary) or will they revert to old ways, the only way Melo knows how to play?
Togna Balogna - February 11, 2012
Melo's other job
is the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy.
Killjoy - February 11, 2012
And in response to the main intention of the thread
LARRY RILEY NEEDS TO GO!!!
Not because of Lin but many other moves, besides, if he isn’t really pulling the strings, then why do they keep trotting him out there to take the blame. He was also a classy guy who seemed earnest, but he represents the past too much
Togna Balogna - February 11, 2012
If you think Larry Riley is powerfull enough to let go of Lacob’s project by himself your wrong. It was Ok’d by everybody in basketball ops.
J-RIDAH - February 11, 2012
by Kirk Lacob?
GovernorStephCurry - February 12, 2012
Him too. Nobody in basketball ops believed Lin was better than Jenkins.
J-RIDAH - February 13, 2012
On a Sidenote. The Knicks just elevated to a whole new level of greatness.
Now that they have their starting PG, the lineup will look like Lin/Fields/Melo/Amare/Chandler. FUDGEMONKEY. But I think Melo will somehow bring them down :P
bimmercirem3 - February 11, 2012
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