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dubzfan - January 12, 2012 reply

Nope

KD1 - January 13, 2012 reply

Well, I'm gonna vote an actual Warrior

So Monta get my vote

+! Monta is playing his heart out! Result: 5th in NBA scoring; 6th in assists (!-right there with Rubio); up there in steals and rebounds (for guards)!!! With defenses keying on him!

up there in steals and rebounds

What? His rebounding has been atrocious this season, even by his low standards: 2.5 per 36.

His scoring efficiency has also been bad: .505 ts%.

His passing has been excellent (7.1 assists per 36), though it should be noted that his turnovers have proportionally increased (3.7 per 36). He’s not really “right there with Rubio,” who’s averaging 9.8 assists and 4.1 turnovers per 36.

On the bright side, his defensive PM numbers are way up, which could be a sample size error or could be indicative of improved effort. Anecdotally, he does seem to be gambling less and playing more focused on that end.

Obviously, he’s playing his heart out. He’s always done that. I don’t think even his harshest critics would suggest that his shortcomings as a player come from lack of heart.

Last night I thought he was really good. Absent the lame hack-a-Dwight strategy, his second half heroics might have won us the game.

he's still not good defensively

but it’s pretty clear hes not bottom of the league anymore

Yep, no Curry, handling the ball more, no one else scoring, he is 6th in NBA in assists per game, playing his heart out....just ask his coach!

Also, Sleepy, you and others need to get off Monta's case. He is the only guy we got that can really score at will; he is carrying this team!

It is time to realize that he is the closest thing to a superstar that we have. Curry-Monta backcourt would be feared if we can ever get them on the court together again!

If Monta could score at will, you'd think his TS% would be at least league average.

But it’s substantially below league average. Not borderline, like last season. Downright crappy.

“Score at will.” I think those words mean something different from what you think they mean.

Ronaldinho - January 13, 2012 reply

Did you even read what I wrote? I’m not “on his case.” I posted a bunch of facts, some flattering to Monta, some not so much. One of these facts — his terrible rebounding numbers — directly contradicts what you wrote. If you want to spout tired sports cliches (“playing his heart out,” “carrying the team” e.g.), that’s totally fine, but if you’re going to use this board to spread blatant misinformation, sorry, but I’m going to call you on it.

Monta, and, oh yes, double-double, Lee, are carrying this team right now!

carrying this team to a 3-7 record

woohoo

Monta, and, oh yes, double-double, Lee, are carrying this team right now!

Stop being a blind Monta lover like most dubs fans. Hes a chucker straight up chucker, look at his TS% percentage. He is only getting high avg assist because hes in the game for 40+ minutes. If he was actually carrying this team, we would be winning games. It doesnt matter about how much points he avg a night. It matters about wins. It may seem like hes some superstar but in hindsight he is just a player who shoots a bunch of shots on a crappy team. I’m sorry to put it all bluntly but thats where we are.

richstyle - January 13, 2012 reply

Good game by Monta, but I liked what I saw from Klay tonight. People need to start giving this guy some credit. For a #11 pick, he has looked pretty good these last several games. After tonight’s game he is shooting 44.4% from 3, so we can finally stop with the “Klaynk” nickname.

After tonight’s game he is shooting 44.4% from 3, so we can finally stop with the "Klaynk" nickname.

Klank was the sound of our hopes falling on the draft room floor when they passed on Burks and Leonard, has nothing to do with his 3 point shooting.

Why are people so high on Burks and not Thompson? What exactly has he proven?

What exactly has he proven?

that people are more high on him.

“Some” poeple. And other were higher on Thompson. I’d probably trade Thompson for Leonard, but I’ll take him over Burks. I tend to have more trust in Jerry West than most of the amateur GM’s on this blog.

I tend to have more trust in Jerry West than most of the amateur GM’s on this blog

maybe you are more of a laker’s fan than most amateur GM’s on this blog are? My guess is most don’t trust him due to his background. I just think he’s not as in touch with the current game and younger players as some of the other guys we coulda hired. He apparently din’t even want to consider leonard because Klank’s dad was a lakers announcer?

maybe you are more of a laker’s fan than most amateur GM’s on this blog are?

Hardly, I can’t stand the Lakers. You are the one that lists yourself as a Lakers fan. I do however have a lot of respect for Jerry West’s baskeball knowledge. I don’t think he is out of touch. By his own account, even when he was retired he spent hours a day watching and studying college and NBA basketball. I seriously doubt he was high on Klay simply because his dad is a Lakers announcer. You can’t blame West for not taking Leonard. Riley is the guy that seemed to dismiss him, not West.

Pippen - January 13, 2012 reply

You are the one that lists yourself as a Lakers fan

Haha, I’m a lakers player fan not a lakers management fan. West was good in the day and the place but this is not the day or the place.
Retired guys dabbling in their field are not the same as fully involved guys looking to better their career. West has no real reason to need this job so I doubt he takes it as seriously as a younger guy would. If we wanted old we shoulda kept nellie and enjoyed nellie ball for another year, why the double standard?

West isn’t a full time GM, he is merely a consultant. He doesn’t need to put in 80 hr weeks to be a valuable asset. He doesn’t study basketball because he has to, he does it because he is a basketball junkie. You don’t lose the ability to judge talent as you age. Don Nelson is an entirely different story. He wasn’t a consultant, he was the head coach. His heart obviously wasn’t in it any more and he didn’t have the good health or stamina to do his job proficiently. It’s not a double standard, because it is two entirely different situations.

Pippen - January 13, 2012 reply

Why are people so high on Burks and not Thompson?

skep might be the only person constantly mentioning burks. a lot of us wanted kawhi

skep might be the only person constantly mentioning burks.

I just said he looked best based on pre draft film. I got no idea how the rookie players have worked out so far. After draft performance has nothing to do with pre draft evaluation.

I’m pretty sure people were saying he couldn’t shoot and were typing “Klaynk” every time he missed a shot in the game threads.

Klay Thompson, 44% from 3s so far?

That’s a lot higher than I thought it would be. If he keeps this up and increases his volume a little more, he could be a more skilled replacement to Anthony Morrow’s 3pt shooting.

If he keeps this up and increases his volume a little more, he could be a more skilled replacement to Anthony Morrow’s 3pt shooting

haha, and if he really worked on his defense he might get to be as good as pietrus then we could send him away to a team that values him ?

lol pieturs never shot 40% from 3

starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 - January 13, 2012 reply

came real close in We Believe at 39%

Yeah, he is finally starting to look more comfortable out there. I think there is an excellent chance he finishes the year above 40% from 3.

Pippen - January 13, 2012 reply

unfortunately, his fg% is currently lower than his 3%

He's a rookie who had a short camp and no summer league.

I’m totally baffled by the “Klay sucks” contingent on GSOM. Every time he misses a shot a bunch of people make posts like “Klank Thompson” or whatever.

He’s a rookie getting used to the speed of the pro game. Everybody needs to chill out. He’s already much better than he was in his first game.

Ronaldinho - January 13, 2012 reply

Yep, he has had two good games, hope he is getting there!

Major J is shaking up the bench with Curry out and personnel losses. I like that. I like the way he is slowly bringing Jenkins in; giving him starts and ten minutes, or, so per game. He is responding well. I like the way he is bringing Thompson in. I also like the way he is bringing Tyler in (!); consistent minute per game! Clearly, his utilization of Nate is right on! I think Major J is squeezing all he can out of the seriously depleted personnel roster that he has been given to work with. Impressive!

Klay

ok, second time I’ve seen him look like he belonged in the NBA.

yeah, if those outside shots fall, and he stops looking like such a rookie, he could be ok…still not sold on him by any stretch, but at least now I understand the vision of seeing him and Steph playing together

Dwight Howard gets my vote

boo

Warrior Wonder shouldn’t go to a Magic

Hack-A-Howard "defense" keeps Warriors in the game, keeps crowd and TV audience out of the game

haha, I guess Jackson mis understood when everyone said they wanted them to go get a big man ?

Lee did a nice job posting up a bunch of chairs

But he couldn’t score on Dwight in a million years. Dwight absolutely manhandled him on defense whenever everyone else had to leave due to foul trouble.

Dwight absolutely manhandled him on defense whenever everyone else had to leave due to foul trouble.

Jackson must have used Shaq math to add up the possible outcome from all the fouls?

That's nothing against Lee

Howard does that to everyone in the world…

steffun4tw - January 12, 2012 reply

+101! Amen! Lee played great!

Lee played great

We haven’t had a P forward as good in decades. Imagine him next to Howard instead of against. I really think this game would have been ours if we had Kwame.

fotd - January 13, 2012 reply

yeah, I thought of Lee when the announcers mentioned that playing Anderson was a "luxury"

the Magic can afford to have a soft defender at the PF because they’ve got Dwight freakin Howard

also, I think Lee needs to start working on his 3-pointer range

lol...I never thought I would read that....we went from feast to famine on 3pt shooting!

I'm debating whether I really want an opponent to be in the poll in the future

What do you guys think?

As long as it's not Kobe I don't have a major problem with it.

If said opponents shoots 39 free throws?

Sure, why not.

steffun4tw - January 12, 2012 reply

imo

In games with absolute stinkers, I don’t mind.

But tonight DLee and Monta were deserving enough

Though

Dwight did set a record lol

Dwight had one of the best games in his career

He could not be stopped.

i guess i'll use this rule

If the opponent’s performance is record setting, or completely and utterly out of this world.

And not named Kobe. And not named LeBron.

Perfect

One exception

If LeBron chokes, he goes in the poll :D

steffun4tw - January 12, 2012 reply

hahahaha

of course!

Dwight is allowed but no LeBron or Kobe?

That’s dumb. If you’re going to allow some (don’t want either, should allow all).

As impartial as I try to be,

there are just certain things I don’t want to do, like supporting Kobe or LeBron. That’s not to say I don’t respect their skills and talents. In fact, I actually like Kobe’s vicious, competitive, unflappable demeanor. I wish our players had that kind of attitude. But asking people to vote for them? Just can’t do it.

And besides, I don’t plan on including players from the opposite team very often. Off the top of my head, the only time I can remember including an opponent was when Stephen Jackson took a bad final shot and gave us the game over the Bobcats.

So GSOM fans have to as a consensus like the player

and they have to have an amazing game?

I get putting the choker or bad player of another team up as a joke, but in a loss its frustrating to see a player from another team getting more respect from some of our fans than our entire team.

You know, I don't really have a rule about when to include opponents

In fact, I originally did NOT include Dwight Howard in the poll choices. But I happened to see a couple people asking in the game thread for Dwight Howard to be a choice, and I hesitantly obliged. It still didn’t feel right to me, which is why I asked about whether I really should do it or not in the future.

So now that I think about it, I suppose it will just have to depend on what kind of performance it was, and if it was a really, really, really, really, really unusual or out of this world performance. So if LeBron or Kobe went nuts and busted out with a quintuple-double against us, as much as I’d hate to support either of those two, I’d HAVE to give people a chance to recognize their performance.

GovernorStephCurry - January 13, 2012 reply

gsc warning

Troll to ensue this comment.

tafkasam - January 13, 2012 reply

You're trolling by making that comment.

oh, if it's like THAT, I'd be ok with it

Off the top of my head, the only time I can remember including an opponent was when Stephen Jackson took a bad final shot and gave us the game over the Bobcats.

I’d put KG on that list as well.

qin - January 13, 2012 reply

I'm debating whether I really want an opponent to be in the poll in the future What do you guys think?

the franchise player don’t ask the other players if he can take the shot so step up and make it.
If it was me i’d put whoever gave us the win no matter who he played for , even refs, cheerleaders catchin Lebron’s eye, etc.

NO.

NEVER.

NO WAY, IQ!!!!

WARRIOR Wonder

not player of the game…Warrior of the game

don’t do it man!

Hopefully Kwame will be back in time for the WCF

Hopefully Kwame will be back in time for the WCF

I think that bottle has left the lightening.

I'll have whatever you're smoking

Could have used his 6 fouls tonight

KD1 - January 13, 2012 reply

Added

nba.com highlights, recap.

Man, it’s a slow night for updates. Did the writers fall asleep too?

The fact we were as good as we were without 3 of our better players

Especially our post defender is awesome , pissed that we lost but still. Otis Smith was here, maybe he was looking at our guys to see who he wants and hopefully he liked Klay.

I think with a fully healthy squad (minus Kwame cause he’s done for the year until mid playoffs) we can make the playoffs, but we need to get healthy fast

dubzfan - January 12, 2012 reply

The fact we were in the game minus 3 of our better players shows alot of progress for the warriors. I think alot of the team is finally figuring out how to play together. At the same time its been good for the team without Curry because if they do end up trading Curry away it gives them a practice run to see what itd be like without him in the lineup.

SDMcCloskey - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

There was an adjustment period

But overall without him we have been fine, better with him but losing him isn’t like destroying our team

I suggest we change the heading to include something like “… and Dwight Howard is taking yet another free throw” since Pinstriped Post did something similar when we bombarded them with a ton of 3-pointers that one game last season.

WYK - January 12, 2012 reply

LOL Great idea

Ya

That game we combined to have the most 3’s in NBA history in a game and set our own franchise record

dubzfan - January 12, 2012 reply

Added

Mark Jackson at the podium. Monta in the locker room. Highlights by gumbywithpokey.

. Highlights by gumbywithpokey

Haha, Are they gonna highlight all 39 fouls? first they’re gonna hafta wake everyone up.That might be the downest tempo warriors game I’ve ever seen?

Rob Kurz would've never let this happen

: (

bogeydead4 - January 13, 2012 reply

Added

Rusty’s written summary of Mark Jackson at the podium.

OK, I'm giving up for the night.

Haven’t seen any of the warriors.com quotes and mp3s. Haven’t seen a csn highlights recap.

Thanks for the good work! Appreciate it.

JSML - January 13, 2012 reply

You're welcome!

ohcleverhansyou - January 13, 2012 reply

Played with a lot of heart tonight..

We wanted that win. Bloody stupid Orlando three pointers… I hate Jameer and Redick… Now Von Wafer too..

I feel so bad for Ellis.. He does everything he can he help this team win. Really wanna see Dwight in a Warriors uni now.

Potential - January 13, 2012 reply

I haven't been able to watch a lot of games this year

But I remember Jackson using the hack-a strategy early on Deandre Jordan too. Didn’t fix anything in that game either. Has this worked for him in any of the Warriors wins? The negatives (confidence destroyer, foul outs, they can actually hit free throws, awful for the fans) seem to outweigh the positives (opponent confidence destroyer, disrupt offensive rhythm, hopefully one point instead of two on this possession, but you never know). Of course it’s a small sample size, but god what an awful sample size to watch. A close game that no one in the Oracle could care about because of how it had been kept close. Dwight called it disrespectful, and I agree.

Plus, if he wanted to go through with this strategy from the beginning of the game, Jackson should’ve put in Jeremy Tyler to do some of that fouling. The Warriors were already short on centers tonight, he could ill afford to have them foul out.

Dwight actually said the opposite, he said it was a sign of respect in the post game interview. As far as it’s effectiveness I don’t really know what else we could have done with Howard without our second center. I think that most double teams would have ended up as with and-1’s, as he couldn’t bench press two of our other big’s without breaking a sweat.

And hack-a-DJ worked. They had to pull him. We didn’t win, but I don’t think that it was because of that.

AYEq - January 13, 2012 reply

Alright, I wasn't sure about that quote

Going off hearsay from the Magic blog. And yeah, I don’t have much of an alternative solution, I just hate to see basketball look this bad. Especially if it doesn’t result in wins, but again, small sample size.

ohcleverhansyou - January 13, 2012 reply

I remember Jackson using the hack-a strategy early on Deandre Jordan too. Didn’t fix anything in that game either.

Hack-a-DJ at least makes a lot of sense from a mathematical perspective, as his career ft% is 41.9% (though he’s “improved” to 47.5% this season). Hack-a-Dwight (career 59.5% ft) is both mathematically dumb and aesthetically unpleasant.

Hey Dwight you played on the superman level and your team barely won against Warriors missing three starting players!

Now close your eyes and imagine yourself in Warriors uniform! Hmmmmm!

buky - January 13, 2012 reply

lol, nice!

Great effort with what we have (left)! Major Jackson's strategy was OK; "warriors", "battled", as "fighters" should!

Just not enough “artillery”, particularly, up front. And, once again, IQ comes through with all the poop to help us understand and analyze another “battlefield” loss….:)

Probably worst game I've attended live in a while

For exactly that hack-a-howard= boring.

tafkasam - January 13, 2012 reply

Well, Major J tried it; it didn't work. It's not like he had many options; few people in the league can play Dwight straight up!

it's not like he had many options?

we coulda run them off the floor and scored more than them. Those were all pretty slow boyz. instead of attacking their strength attack their weakness.

Ryan Anderson is incredibly overrated

Just like all ‘decent’ players next to superstars are.

Would I like him? Sure.
Would I prefer him at 1.5 mil to Lee/Biedrins conrtracts? Yes

Am I confident he’s better than LEe or worth more thsan 6-7 mil a year? Absolutely not.

Especially without Dwight.
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This represents the problem of judging players soley on numbers. A good player, next to a true elite one can reallly look good.

tafkasam - January 13, 2012 reply

Ryan Anderson is incredibly overrated

By whom? Most casual fans probably haven’t even heard of him. I’d guess if you polled most NBA observers, very few would rate him the Magic’s second-best player. And yet, even allowing for the positive influence of Dwight, Ryan Anderson is almost certainly that. (The positive influence of Dwight naturally applies to everyone on the team).

Lots of people on here and elsewhere look at his great efficiency and shooting and assume he's awesome

Outside of Orlando and he’s not that good

Sounds like a bit of a strawman. I don’t recall anyone ever saying Anderson was “awesome.” He’s probably the second-best player on the Magic, which ain’t saying much, but is almost certainly more than the average fan gives him credit for. That alone is enough to make the phrase “incredibly overrated” ring pretty hollow.

Rec

I really don't understand thi so called 'strategy'.

This may sound rather strange but let me introduce myself first. Like most europeans I grew up playing and watching football. Ok, I’ll call it soccer for you guys. I didn’t know anything about basketball when I bought NBA LIve 95 a very long time ago. For some reason I loved playing with Sprewell in that game. He was the only reason why I became a Warriors fan. I still support this team, even though I’ve never been to the Oracle Arena. Unfortunately i can’t watch that many Warriors via streams because, well, I tend to sleep at night. To cut a long story short, you guys simply know much more about basketball than I do. So I’d like to ask you a simple question:

Isn’t this “hack-a-……….”-strategy incredibly lame? In soccer, a coach would get fined for telling his players to foul someone intentionally. In basketball nobody seems to have a problem with it. I really don’t get it. For someone who didn’t grow up with basketball this so called strategy simply means: “We hereby admit that we’re a terrible team, we have no real strategy, we have no clue how to beat the other guys.”

Please don’t misunderstand me. I love the warriors and basketball is my second favourite sports. i simply don’t understand, why this seems to be so widely accepted.

PS: Please excuse my rusty English.

kablowski - January 13, 2012 reply

Your English is fine. In soccer, a fould of this nature would result in a penalty inside the box, which is a game-turning proposition.

Fouling a weak foul shooter in basketball is an accepted practice, without the same impact that it may have in soccer, and more comparable to the open-field, non-yellow card, “inadvertent” fouls in soccer. The weak foul-shooting basketball player usually misses 50% of his shots from the free throw line, which is better than (in Dwights case) making 60-70% of 2 point shots! Sometimes this strategy may backfire in the unlikely event that the weak free throw shooter has and exceptional night (for him) from the free throw line.

Isn’t this "hack-a-………."-strategy incredibly lame? In soccer, a coach would get fined for telling his players to foul someone intentionally

it’s a tool allowed by the rules. They could just change the rules and eliminate the problem but in reality it doesn’t work well in most situations so not worth worrying about much.

I was at the airport this morning and there was Dwight Howard shooting FTs

KD1 - January 13, 2012 reply

That BS display of "hacking" just made it even harder to attract a Superstar

Such as Dwight Howard. After the game he talked about being disrespected by the W’s using the fouling strategy. Guys like that take everything into account when they make a decision to play for a team in any market. The TBS guys were making fun of Jacksons “strategy” and I don’t blame them as it was embarrassing. Should have employed it about 50% less than we did, and try to play them straightup the rest of the time. Did Jeremy Tyler even get in the game ? What the hell are we waiting for – nothing to lose – try him out – Jackson seems to have no problem giving Klay lots of minutes… why not Tyler ?

stillbelieve - January 13, 2012 reply

I thought he said it was a sign of respect ? I didn't watch the interview but thats what I read

And the NBA isn’t on TBS

The TBS guys can't have it both ways.

First they note that GS has always played an entertaining brand of basketball, and although Jackson thinks he can keep the W’s offense exciting, he will prioritize winning. Then they complain about an arguably effective strategy that slows the game.

Blame the rules, not the coach.

fotd - January 13, 2012 reply

The TBS guys

There should be an asterisk

to Howard’s FT record. I doubt there was a hack-a-wilt back in the day. He earned all of his 34 FTA’s. Howard didn’t earn half his 39.

disguy - January 13, 2012 reply

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warriors.com quotes and mp3s.