Did you really think it was over with the Stephen Jackson trade?
Of course not. The Dubs Drama continues with Monta Ellis, the "mastermind" behind Moped Gate!
GSoM friend Tim Kawakami (even while on vacation!) has details and more in Ellis/Warriors situation set to hit full boil at Thursday meeting: Trade inevitable?
Anyone know where this ride is going?
We'll update this as more unfolds. Jump for links from the archives.
Multiple NBA sources have confirmed that Monta Ellis' status with the Warriors could be determined Thursday, when his agent is scheduled to meet with team management in Oakland.
Several sources indicate that Ellis' agent, Jeff Fried, already has discussed the possibility of the Warrriors giving Fried and Ellis permission to talk to other teams to quicken the pace of trade talks.
...(UPDATED:) Multiple sources say that, apparently at Don Nelson's urging, the Warriors have been calling teams and offering to trade Ellis in recent days.
It is likely that their efforts will only intensify, barring some 11th-hour peace treaty. Ellis has four years and $44M owed to him after this season, but several sources say that he will be less difficult to trade than Stephen Jackson was.
And it seems inevitable that Ellis will be traded, presuming that Nelson remains in power, and every source I've talked to believes that Nelson will remain in power.
Mo Moped Mo Problems
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Sweet
Undersized, doesn’t play defense, can’t decide if he’s a 1 or 2, is a cancer, is not 100% of what he was before, and flattens our huge guard pool.
But, he plays great OFFENSE!
ejdacanay - November 17, 2009
If we actually held on to him this season
We would be able to see if he can play the point and if he gets back to his old form. But I guess it’s too late, Nellie and Rowell have done the damage already.
Precise Films Productions - November 17, 2009
Nelson won't be satisfied until he runs ALL good players
out of town.
The list of former Warrior players sent to other teams for nothing is too long for one blog post. While Nelson’s teams can often barely meet the minimum players needed to legally play a big league basketball game, season after season. Isn’t that curious? (All the better to see his “brilliant coaching” at work with “undermanned” teams!)
He’s alienated, forced out, or traded every above average player the Warriors have had since he has been here. He left the team in tatters the last time, and he is almost there a second time. It took years to recover from Nelson’s damage the first time, and I won’t be around to find out how long it will take a second time. (Unless there’s new management all the way to the top.)
Nelson and the rest of management are dysfunctional human beings. Certainly not competent to run a professional basketball team. And as long as they are in charge, none of this stuff can begin to stop or turn around.
Monta is too good a player to remain on a Don Nelson team.
Nelson is only happy when he can “coach” a second rate “overachieving” team, so that he can read how his “genius” alone got them a few wins in a season. Having players that are good enough to win on their own (i.e. don’t “need” Nelson’s “genius” to win) doesn’t work for Don. His is the only ego that can exist on his teams. It’s been that way since before the Webber fiasco, and those who didn’t see all this coming when he came back, were deluding themselves.
The problem is not Monta. Not Webber, etc., etc., etc., to infinity.
The problem is Nelson.
formerlythecity - November 17, 2009
Nelson is just Coaching for the record
Once he passes Lenny he will officially pack it in for the rest of the season. He is unloading the malcontents for his own selfish reasons. Either because he doesn’t want them around when/if he gets enough wins or he realistically does not give a cr*p about the future of this team. Jason Thompson was drafted within a few picks of AR, he was allowed to play from the beginning and his play is starting to pay off. I believe AR has more talent and when he gets a chance to show it he will be in a different uniform.
FiveAlarmFreddy - November 17, 2009
Nelson
can’t decide if he’s a 1 or a 2.
Monta’s defense has stepped up a lot so far this season.
disguy - November 17, 2009
So much so that he let a rookie dump 55 on his head.
Feltbot - November 17, 2009
hahaha
Good one, also the rookie looks like a better PG and a leader, dude got millions but yet chooses to drive a Ford Fusion, thats how humble this kid is, wish we could trade Ellis and get him in return.
puffylove - November 17, 2009
actually
CJ was mostly guarding him the second half
LostHawkGSW - November 17, 2009
Sure..........
Trade him, that’s the solution for everything. Curry is in between a 1 and a 2, let’s trade him too but why stop there, Don Nelson doesn’t seem to like Anthony Randolph. How about a trade, maybe if we throw Morrow and B Wright, we can even save more money in the future……
I can’t believe a Management can be this screwed up, if Don Nelson has a problem with every player on the roster, the problem IS Don Nelson and I can’t understand the fans that are being brainwashed by this non-sense and support trading all of our players and go through rebuilding year after year. Monta isn’t our brighest player, he’s not a leader, we all understand that…but he is our BEST player right now !!!
ARandolph - November 17, 2009
Sorry the reply was actually for ejdacanay's comment
ARandolph - November 17, 2009
True except for the cancer bit. Jax was cancer. Ellis is just disgruntled. I don’t think Ellis will sway the minds of his teammates (mostly because he isn’t a vocal leader).
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
ellis is not the problem.losing is the problem, not having a real vet leader is the problem..not having a center is the problem! Monta helped us win the # wins we do have!
Oakland2NYC - November 17, 2009
Good news! Brian Windhorst reports via twitter that Raja Bell is going to get his wrist surgery.
Man, the train didn’t even get out of the station before going off the tracks.
markdash - November 17, 2009
WTF!
Are we playing tonight with the Junior Jam Squad! Scalabrine is getting major minutes tomorrow night!
ajtrinc - November 17, 2009
Well, he’s an expiring :P. I guess our 2’s are Morrow, Ellis and Curry. We’re tanking hard. It’ll be good to get one more draft pick with this young team. But I don’t think we’ll do badly with Curry at the point. I think he’ll do well.
Naticus2 - November 17, 2009
wow
So we got four players out for the season, Claxton (dont think he will ever play), Buike, Wright and Bell. Here is the only hope trade Ellis and Maggette for AK47 and sign Allen Iverson.
Line up
A.I
Morrow
AK47
AR
Beans (when he is back)
puffylove - November 17, 2009
Look like Bell doesnt want to play with the Warriors
He postpone it when he was in Bobcats now suddenly he want to do it
mykelala01 - November 17, 2009
How did we ever pull out this trade
its amazing, I thought before you reach a trade agreement a doctor should inspect if the player is capable of playing. Anyway I’m just glad we got rid of Jackson even thou Bell is out for the season.
mykelala01 - November 17, 2009
Bell is capable of playing, he’s played in several games since missing the beginning of the season due to injury.
The Warriors knew about this injury; everyone knew about this injury. I knew about this injury because of fantasy basketball. It was not a surprise. The Warriors are not going to call “takebacks.” The Warriors don’t care that Bell is going to miss the rest of the season; his value was 95% due to his expiring salary.
markdash - November 17, 2009
I'd rather have him do surgery on his wrist now when it does not matter...
It’ll be bad if he gets the injury all of the sudden next year when he is needed.
Cpt. Jack in the Box - November 17, 2009
that's if we resign him next year
he’s a free agent next summer
IQofaWarrior - November 17, 2009
That's true...I forgot this contract expires after this season.
Oh well,I guess we’ll never see Bell in a Warriors uniform.
Cpt. Jack in the Box - November 18, 2009
Hate to Say it, but he Needs to go!
Especially after reading some of his comments made to Marc Thompson regarding the Stephen Jackson trade.
He is too selfish of a person to ever be a leader on a team. He calls out the younger guys for making mistakes forgetting, just a couple of years ago, he was in the same position.
He is a talented player and would thrive on a team that has a level headed veteran leader but here, he has been given way too much responsibility and is never going to be able to handle it.
Trade him now so we can get something back in return before it ends up like the Jackson situation where other teams are insulting us with offers because we have no leverage.
ajtrinc - November 17, 2009
Bell out for season and now this?
AAAAAHHHHHHHH! Pull out the knife already! I guess the idea of “just going back to focusing on basketball” was little premature – hey riley?
I’m torn on Nellie VS Monta
If he isn’t LETTING Monta lead by calling out his teammates in the privacy of the locker room (where it belongs) then Monta may have been forced to do it through the press. This changes things for me on Monta a bit. Hard to know if he could be happy with a new coach but if he can – I say keep him.
Nelson HAS to go but is not. Maybe Monte should just stay mum, play his game, and let the cards fall where they may.
Larry Riley – you’ve done pretty well as the GM so far, but this is your moment of truth. Any other GM would have fired Nelson by now. Are you his boss or not?
tjmax - November 17, 2009
If the meeting on Thurs. shows Ellis is willing to work with a new coach then keep him and see if he develops better leadership skills under someone he respects as a coach. I just don’t see Ellis’s attitude changing in that regards. He sees himself as Kobe except without the game to back up his talk.
No matter if they trade him or not, Nelson should have followed Jackson out the door. Bring in someone that can show patience for our young players.
ajtrinc - November 17, 2009
TJ....
We have NO IDEA how Monta went about his “calling players out” and frankly, judging byhis current vocal capabilities…I suspect it probably was none to constructive, possibly personal….who knows…. and maybe, just MAYBE a wise coach at that moment, decided not to let Monta sink the boat at that given moment… Journalists are great at picking pieces of info, very rarely to they give you the whole cake, mainly because they are not privy to it…
It is painfully clear Monta has a major attitude problem… he was gifted the opportunity ad he blew it… ship him out…
BritWarriorGSW - November 17, 2009
I agree
The “crying team leader role” just doesn’t make sense.
FiveAlarmFreddy - November 17, 2009
Agree
We’re only now discovering that Ellis is probably not literate. He has poor judgment. He doesn’t seem to see things objectively. And he is not a friendly person. If you were the boss, would you let a guy like this squeak nonsense at the rest of the team?
Warriors U - November 17, 2009
Nelson
Would any other team put up with Nelson? I hope I am correct in assuming that the only reason he has a job is because we don’t want to pay him to sit on the beach. Monta might be a head case, but Nelson is really poisoning all of the young talent.
AlaskanAssassin - November 17, 2009
Trade Ellis
FOR JOHN WALL!
Ellis for Rudy Gay + Their first round pick + someone
Tank the season!
John Wall/Curry
Morrow/Buki/Curry
Gay/Buki/Radmo/Maggs
AR/Wright
Andris/Turiaf
LostHawkGSW - November 17, 2009
I don’t like it.
aBulldog - November 17, 2009
Wow
That trade is a freaking steal.
Rated-R Superstar - November 17, 2009
And for those wishinh for Bosh
I don’t see it happening
ejdacanay - November 17, 2009
I’ve wanted him out the moment we drafted Curry on draft night. Curry is the future PG of this team.
HopHurdles - November 17, 2009
Word.
Feltbot - November 17, 2009
Ellis + Speedy + Bell for TMAC!
Make it happen!!!!
We can tank the season, do whatever we can to get John Wall…Then try to attract Bosh to come play along side Andris/AR/Wall
PG: Wall
SG: ??? Morrow or Curry or Buki
SF: AR
PF: Bosh
C: Andris
Get a new coach, Avery Johnson or Byron Scott
Get a new owner, Ellison
Get a Championship ring for everyone!
LostHawkGSW - November 17, 2009
Buike is out for the season
puffylove - November 17, 2009
do we have john wall?
this is clearly a lineup for NEXT season
LostHawkGSW - November 17, 2009
Who can Ellis realistically fetch in return?
It won’t be a superstar or a budding superstar of course, but who has a similar contract (or 2 players combined) to his that might be available?
Scooter Ellis - November 17, 2009
no one worth him...
like Jack.. his value to us> value to league
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Don’t be stupid, people. Maybe we should trade Monta Ellis, but not now, and not like this, for pennies on the dollar. We should hang onto him a little longer.
Nellie, on the other hand, would be cleaning out his desk today if ownership had any brains. This is actually worse than Webber vs. Nellie… at least Nellie was a good coach in 1994.
You don’t punt away a very good young player to please the laziest and worst coach in the league. I pray someone has the wisdom to keep Monta around.
onlxn - November 17, 2009
Yep
Could not agree more. Don’t make a panic trade here. The relationship between Monta and the Dubs can be mended. The front office just has to realize how damaging Nelson is.
AlaskanAssassin - November 17, 2009
This sucks. We Suck.
Why is our FO and head coach so bad at communicating with the players? I know it is more difficult in the NBA than it is in college, but MY GOD, do these people ever talk? In the Greg Papa/Larry Riley interview on Chronicle Live last night it sounded as if Riley had NEVER spoken to Monta about anything. This is a total farce. I can’t believe I still care about this team.
Supafishal - November 17, 2009
What about you’re thought that this trade will force Nellie to actually coach now? Crazier things have happened.
MO-ped MO-problems - November 17, 2009
It’s not impossible, but if he drives away our best player, it’s not worth finding out. Even a motivated Nellie is going to be a crappy defensive coach, and he’s not gonna get us to the playoffs. Smart & Monta sounds much better to me than Nellie & whatever the hell we get for Monta, no matter what Nellie’s attitude is.
onlxn - November 17, 2009
I really like the sound of that. Trading monta is suicide right now. I can’t handle even think about it. Promote Smart, I think its a good idea.
MO-ped MO-problems - November 17, 2009
We may be able to get a decent player in return. I think a trade to Detroit for the injured Richard Hamilton is in order. He’ll recover, and we’ll have the big defensive 2 we need as well as maturity and veteran leadership.
Naticus2 - November 17, 2009
That is not even close to a fair deal. Do not want old Hamilton and neither should warriors FO.
MO-ped MO-problems - November 17, 2009
No one is saying trade Ellis for pennies on the dollar. If their is value for him, we do need to trade him. He has admitted himself that he can not co-exist with Curry in the back court and has not shown great leadership qualities.
Ellis is a good young player, but if we find the right trade, whether it be today or next offseason, we should go for it.
ajtrinc - November 17, 2009
+370000 onlxn
Rec’d
ROMESdavidWOOD37 - November 17, 2009
-1
In order for us to “wait” to get more value, his attitude may destroy his team, where Randolph wants to leave, Morrow simply runs away, Curry decides he has had enough….etc etc….
While I understand you want to get value, you have to weigh up the value of the whole team imploding with a truly disruptive player around who does not even have the maturity of Jackson to realise that the more he throws his toys around….the LESS attractive he becomes to other teams as they will question his mental state versus his ability.
So no…there comes a time when he HAS to be traded, IF he continues to become a royal pain in butt and a threat to the overall stability of the team and I personally dont think we are far off that position right now….
BritWarriorGSW - November 17, 2009
You simply cant trade him for nothing. He is still helping this team. He might be a little pouty right now, but so far it hasn’t affected his play that much. Not enough to just dump him for nothing. It’s ludicrous to give up on a player for a couple of quotes or arguments with a coach. You’re way off base thinking the best thing for us to do is dump our best player for nothing.
MO-ped MO-problems - November 17, 2009
No one said he's being traded for nothing
We’ll get more value for Ellis too. Someone will bite, whether its a minnow or a blue tuna is up to fate.
ejdacanay - November 17, 2009
+1
Brit is right too, if we’re going to trade him, now is the time. You minimize the amount of time that you have to deal with the team going through a transition. Also, if you let this continue Monta’s attitude may get worse and may make it more difficult to do something.
Really quick possible targets (lot’s of them are injured right now, seems like the new fad):
Rip Hamilton
Tayshaun Prince
Mike Miller
Troy Murphy… (lol j/k)
Marcus Camby
Emeka Okafor
Jason Richardson (boy… that would be ironic)
Carlos Boozer
Those are just players that could be swapped 1-for-1. All those players are solid, some have terrible contracts (Rip, Okafor) and some are expiring (Boozer, Miller, Camby). There are still tons of other options, but they would be package deals, whether it is for talent that is cheaper than Monta (Rudy Gay) or more expensive than Monta (Tracy McGrady, AK47).
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
ellis + speedy + raja for TMAC
LostHawkGSW - November 17, 2009
Thats a good trade, if we can make it Ellis and Maggette for TMac would be better, both are bad contracts. Once Tmac salary expires, we will have enough cap room to sign a bonafida superstar like Bosh.
puffylove - November 17, 2009
As much as I don’t like Maggette’s game, I feel like he’s probably a soothing force in the locker room, and right now we need the bodies.
Only problem with including Bell is that we have to wait until right before the deadline.
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
I disagree
Monta is a clear distraction, there is nothing good we gain from keeping him this team. Getting rid of him for a player like TMac or AK47 would help this team more than keeping him in there. He is the bad remaining apple in this locker room. AR, Curry, Morrow need a new leader, someone who can teach them what it means to be a professional. S Jackson and Ellis got what they wanted, they made millions and now they both think they are Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars bad boys of 2009, they are good players but not good to guide this team to the playoff. The salary cap is 57 or 58 mil, next year it might drop to 54-51 mil, paying three players Jackson, Ellis and Maggette more than 28 mil which is half of our team salaries is ridiculous. Look at Thunders, they got players like Durant, Jeff Green and Westbrook contributing good numbers, players like Dahntay Jones, Trevor Ariza are worth more than one dimensional Ellis, players that play both end, high IQ and understand what means to be a professional is worth more than a delusional player like Ellis.
puffylove - November 17, 2009
I agree
Monta still has to develop, he will be a future all-star. Take Nelson Out. Please
9ersDubsGiantSharks - November 17, 2009
what would you do if your
employee was a malcontent?
gogomaplata - November 17, 2009
If you’re referring to me…
If I’m Chris Cohan, I’m seeing two employees that are malcontents.
Malcontent A is a 24-year-old pretty-good employee who’s being a bit of a baby but working hard… his contract is high, but not out of bounds with his value. If I choose to keep him, I can expect to get good production from him for four-and-a-half more years? If I choose to get rid of him, now’s not a great time to do it, as his value isn’t high. I’ll get more back for him if I wait to dump him later.
Malcontent B is a 69-year-old employee who has abdicated half of his responsibilities and is phoning in the other half… he is simply not working hard. He’s also making some very poor decisions, and he’s alienating several other employees, including Malcontent A; in fact, Malcontent A may only be a malcontent because of the presence of Malcontent B. I can not reasonably expect more than a year and a half of work out of Malcontent B, and six months of work may be more likely… given his history, I can’t rule out the possibility that Malcontent B will just go home three weeks from now. Malcontent B would be replaced, not traded… as such, I don’t have to worry about holding onto him until his value increases.
What would I do? “Malcontent A, let’s talk about where we’re heading here; Malcontent B, security will escort you out.”
onlxn - November 17, 2009
God I hope this is what they do.
MO-ped MO-problems - November 17, 2009
Love this
in a sensible world, it’d work out like this…
RedHopeful - November 17, 2009
Past time to get rid of Nelson
notice how there’s a common thread in all of these problems:
Baron vs. Nelson
Flap Jax vs. Nelson
Monta vs. Nelson
Harrington vs. Nelson
Webber vs. Nelson (goes way back, I know)
I’m sure we could name others. (AR vs. Nelson is next.) Perhaps when one coach keeps butting heads with many different players on a team, it isn’t the players who are the problem.
At some point someone in the organization has to realize that getting rid of all of the talent isn’t the best way to run a basketball team.
nostocksjustbonds - November 17, 2009
Or....
You simply have a group of mates that all enjoy each others company more than they have loyalty to the club that is paying them MILLIONS of dollars to play basketball for a living….
Just another possibility there for ya…
BritWarriorGSW - November 17, 2009
Ghetto losers v. Hall of Famer
What is your point again?
Warriors U - November 17, 2009
Trade him if......................
theres a good deal on the line. Time to start fresh.
Oakland Warriors - November 17, 2009
At the moment, I do think Monta needs to go
But in all fairness to Monta, he’s new to the leadership position. And the only person he has had to model his leadership style from is Stephen Jackson. And we all know that Jack’s style is “It’s everyone else’s fault. It ain’t me. You all have to support me.” So it wouldn’t surprise me if when Monta was yelling in the locker room, or even at Randolph on the floor that one time when Randolph missed the play, he was doing it in a blame style.
Now, there’s nothing wrong with yelling at your teammates if you do it constructively, or motivationally, or by demanding responsibility, or even in extreme cases, breaking down someone’s overinflated ego. It is the unproductive way if you do it to blame someone, or to say it’s their fault and only their fault, or simply to pile on them.
Since we don’t know exactly what Monta said in the locker room (or to AR), this is all speculation on my part. But right now, the attitude isn’t looking good. But who knows? Without Jack to influence Monta, maybe Monta will turn that attitude around.
IQofaWarrior - November 17, 2009
Let’s throw in B Wright as well. This kid can never stay healthy.
Oakland Warriors - November 17, 2009
Just get rid of the whole team, let Oakland be a void for a few years and become Kings fans in the interim.
I’m really getting tired of all this BS.
qin - November 17, 2009
Oh wait, Tim K came up with this.
NEVERMIND…
qin - November 17, 2009
My teams are horrible!
At this point, I really don’t care what happens. I suffer enough following the Raiders, A’s, and now the Warriors.
Oakland Warriors - November 17, 2009
we got the sharks...
9ersDubsGiantSharks - November 17, 2009
It's no longer a joke anymore is it...
Another panic move by a team falling apart. Now need Nelson and Rowell to quit and Cohan to sell. Join the Facebook group at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39895789274 and we can make that happen!
WarriorFanForNow - November 17, 2009
Monta's beef is with the franchise
more than with Nelson. He has been a cancer ever since the moped suspension. The rest of his beef came this summer, with the drafting of Stephen Curry.
Monta wants out of this franchise, and away from Robert Rowell. Just like Jackson.
Don Nelson has simply been their whipping boy.
Feltbot - November 17, 2009
why shouldnt he be pissed about Curry
he plays his position… there is no vision with this team
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
becuase when idiots like Monta want to go ride a horse/moped/great white shark....
There hs to be someone there to step in with equal ability so that the franchise does not tank, a la losing Baron….
BritWarriorGSW - November 17, 2009
This team has a vision..
It’s just really blurry and doesn’t include Monta! Heh.
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
Would this have a chance in hell of happening?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
PokerWarrior - November 17, 2009
Sorry...
Screwed it up…
Don’t know how to get this page to show but…
The following works:
Chris Paul & James Posey for Ellis/Randolph/Morrow/Buke
Gives us a #1 league wide star.
Gives Hornets a solid player in Ellis to build with, an up and coming youngster in Randolph, and 2 players they can decide on in Morrow/Buike.
It knocks close to 9 million off the Hornets cap in 2 years as well.
Posey isn’t the player he once was and we would have to swallow his 3 years at 6mil per to make it work.
PokerWarrior - November 17, 2009
That's basically giving away our entire team. Who will fill the slots?
madafromSF - November 17, 2009
ban?
GameSix - November 17, 2009
It blocks curry also.
MO-ped MO-problems - November 17, 2009
Take AR out and we have a deal, I'd take there bad contracts for CP3
dubzfan - November 17, 2009
no way new orleans do it w/o AR
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Don't worry Warrior fans.
Andris Biedrins, Anthony Morrow, and Anthony Randolph will be packaged next for Brian Cardinal and Ramon Sessions.
Ramon Sessions will be forced to play PF-C because Nellie feels he has the best defense against 6’9 undersized centers in the league.
Disregard any negative speculation that Don Nelson takes part with the destruction of this team.
2009-2010. In Nellie we still trust.
ROMESdavidWOOD37 - November 17, 2009
DONT TRADE HIM
Unless we get back a star in return. It’s either Nellie or Ellis and I choose Ellis. One of the best scoring guards in the league. He’s our best player by far, he has been working on becoming a leader and being under mined by nelson does not help. His defense is much improved, he’s a great rebounder and is developing into a solid passer.People are mad at him cause of the moped…. BIG WHOOP, it was over a year ago.. Let it go. His attitude? The fact he’s a captain and big name guy means he will get more media exposure, I be tmost of our team has been whining about our FO as well. Everything he said about he needs help or Curry may be too small to work with are TRUE. Curry will be nice and may be a better passer but may never be the talent or have an effect on a game as much as Monta. If he leaves AR will want out which will lead to Beans, than Morrow, than Curry, than Ronny etc. The FO needs to go. Not him
dubzfan - November 17, 2009
The poll is in a dead heat right now!
madafromSF - November 17, 2009
This is both Ellis/Nellie's fault
This is trade that we cannot just give him away. We HAVE to get some one good for Ellis. It would be totally ridiculous to take some kind of a trade like how we took the Jackson trade. Ellis is young and talented. He has his flaws but he still can be a very good player in this league. I really don’t know who we could trade him for. i would eliminate Utah cause they wouldn’t take guys like him.
Beasley anyone?
or some kind of a REAL PF
I really don’t know.
Kid Curry - November 17, 2009
Bad Time to Trade Ellis
The common denominator for all wrong with the Warriors is Cohan/Rowell more so than either Nellie or Monta, but if I had to choose one of the latter to build around, I would choose Monta.
However, Monta is not playing well, despite improved defense, because of poor shooting. His True Shooting is only 50%. He has a terrible plus/minus thus far, and his assist rate has only improved marginally this season. He’s overpaid and his performance since the signing of his new contract has been poor.
But he’s 24 and still shows a lot of potential. Don’t trade him now. Get rid of Nellie, which would help with the AR situation, as well. Give more time to access the Monta situation – don’t sell low.
San Francisco Slim - November 17, 2009
Monta IS playing well. At least better than anyone else save for Maggette who not doing it at 35 plus minutes a game. But you’re right, Monta is too good to just give up on. Id rather have an unhappy monta, putting up 20 ppg 5 assist, 1.5 stls than the goose egg we would likely receive in return at this point. I’m fairly confident they wont move him for nothing. Not as confident that Nellie will be moved which would be the best option probably at this point. Id still rather have our current situation, though far from perfect, than any scenario that involves trading monta just to get rid of him.
MO-ped MO-problems - November 17, 2009
Yes, Nelson should be the next in line to go (should have been ahead of Jackson.)
But really, we don’t know Ellis’ value until we put him on the market and shop him around. If we can get a good deal for him, it would be in the teams best interest to trade him.
ajtrinc - November 17, 2009
The thing that NO ONE is focusing on is extremely valid here....
Harrington, Baron, Monta, Jax, ….. are being quoted as all having an issue with Nellie. Maybe, just maybe…..you have a group of mates that are pissed off that they can no longer play basketball together and so they are showing their discontent with childish antics….
I am sorry…. but if they want to hold the team to ransom with this childish crap, after being paid millions…. they have no right or deserve to represent this FAN BASE…one of the most loyal in the league.
They are paid to play Basketball….for this club and for whoever the owner picks as coach. None of them are the coach and if players leave, thats just part of the business/game. But then throwing toys around and demanding trades of speaking “ill” of franchise decisions in public is unprofessional and classless.
Spoiled little egotists need to go and try a real job, sewing together gunshot wounds in the ER, or picking up the limbs of a dead kid hit by a train….
They have NO IDEA what a priviledge it is to play basketball for a living and be paid the way they are. If they did, they would behave in a manner befitting a professional athlete where parents can turn to their kids and say…..“You can be like that one day if you work hard enough, what a great role model”…. rather than the disgrace we are seeing in public tantrums….
They all need to GROW THE (procreate) UP! and simply do what they are paid to do and keep all personal feelings private, if those feelings might have a destabilising effect on the TEAM when vented in public!
BritWarriorGSW - November 17, 2009
Don’t think that the group you’ve mentioned are the only players that currently have a problem with Nelson. Randolph does not look happy with his inconsistent playing time and I do not think Curry is to thrilled with his recent demotion, but is too much of a professional to be vocal about it.
Nelson is not a good fit for a young team and needs to be fired.
ajtrinc - November 17, 2009
Curry will be thrilled if Monta get's traded.
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
With jackson gone..
He wll get more playing time…especially with the injuries..I actually think Radman and Randolph could become a very nice combination with Magette at SF…
The problem was..Nellie was having to play him as a centre and not play him with Moore as they had to cover each other fould wise… THATS why he looked cheesed off… You watch him shine in the next few games if Nellie is smart enough to play him with Radman..
BritWarriorGSW - November 17, 2009
Part of Randolph’s unhappiness is that he does not want to be a center (although for the time being the Warriors don’t have much of a choice.)
Radmonovic would be an ineffective four and is better suited to play the 3 and with everyone healthy, that is the only position he should play.
As injuries have dictated, however, I think your going to get a chance to see Radmonovic and Randolph at the 4-5.
ajtrinc - November 17, 2009
I've got some recommended reading for u my brother...
This is a lot bigger issue u seem to grasp. This is about a culture defined by illusion & best illustrated by the fetishizing of celebrity culture. If you want to blame some young men for acting selfishly, then go right ahead… nobody can argue with you that is what we are witnessing here in Dubs land. But if you want to try to actually diagnose the problem, then in my humble opinion, your sniffing up the wrong tree. For some better prespective, I reccomend an interesting read:
Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle By Chris Hedges
Dubs Wise - November 17, 2009
Thank you sir
That looks very interesting, I’ll make sure I get it. Cheers again.
BritWarriorGSW - November 17, 2009
I agree
We need true warriors not arrogant over valued players like Ellis.
puffylove - November 17, 2009
Listen to me people
The Warriors have started on the road to rebuilding completely which in my opinion sucks, but needs to be done.
Jackson was a bad apple, and so is Monta, just as much in his own way. Yes he is good, but I do not want him around Curry or Randolph.
I agree with the Nelson critics, this guy has been rubbing people the wrong way forever. Once he gets his 21 victories he’s out. If Ellis sticks around there is no guarantee the W’s get 21 more wins.
Also, basketball-wise Ellis is not going to work with Curry. No doubt, one of them has to go. Trade Monta for a big 2, and the Warriors will see results. Monta and Jax are a poison to any team, there are selfish, and only concerned with themselves. Guys like Curry, Randolph, Buike, Biedrinis, and Turiaf are guys we need to be concerned with and not some undersized two guard who actually thinks he defends well.
Trade Monta
Get 21 wins
Nelson is gone
And I wouldn’t be surprised if the W’s made a playoff push once the two bigs get healthy.
markdavisbodyslam - November 17, 2009
Honestly...
If the warriors trade monta for anything less than an equal value player (not 3 players, 2 expiring and some sort of ‘financial victory’). I’ll be done with Nellie.
I’ve been a Nellie supporter, but to watch him systematically alienate players one by one, and send them packing for beans in return is painful.
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
We never traded for beans, we drafted him!
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
HA!
qin - November 17, 2009
Warriors Front Office Contact Info
Anyone know the contact info for our Owner and GM?
I would like to share with them a piece of my mind….
Email or Phone Number for either or would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
- A concerned Warriors fan.
HireMeAsGM - November 17, 2009
Trading Monta Ellis is one thing, allowing the situation to boil out of control in full view of the general public is quite another. If you can trade him in a calm, orderly fashion (the way normal teams operate when they have an unhappy player) and get back equal or great value in return, then fine. The real risk is not that he gets traded, it’s that the situation turns into such an ugly mess that even our 1st and 2nd year players become alienated and start looking for the exit. All we can hope is that this meeting on Thursday is a levelling session in which the team and Monta can come to an understanding as to his role and the future direction of the franchise. If it is already too late for that, We Suck Baby!!!!
Supafishal - November 17, 2009
Hopefully they make it clear to him and his agent that the best way to get what they want is to act like professionals and not bring any more negative attention to the franchise. If Ellis just plays ball to the best of his ability, we have a good chance of getting equal value as he is a young talented player.
ajtrinc - November 17, 2009
This. And in the meantime while he’s playing to his ability, maybe we start winning some games and Monta/Nellie start to change their minds a little.
Or just get rid of Nellie after we lose four in a row on this road trip.
MO-ped MO-problems - November 17, 2009
Monta is good but not great. We can afford to move him. He doesn’t complement our team well, he shouldn’t be a captain here and his attitude stinks.
Naticus2 - November 17, 2009
he's still our best player.
so you want to trade him for what? Sure if we can upgrade i’m all for it… but it’s highly unlikely we’ll get brandon roy or kevin durant… hell if we got andre iguodala i’d celebrate. It’s more likely he’s goo for little to nothing
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Iggy
That’s not a bad idea. For whatever reason the 76ers don’t like him. I always thought he was a great player.
Supafishal - November 17, 2009
Haha
gives the Sixers -9 wins on trade machine!
Supafishal - November 17, 2009
LOL
76ers blog fanpost on monta….
http://www.libertyballers.com/2009/11/17/1161630/monta-ellis
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
rofl
Man, those are bad. That must be what our trade ideas for SJax originally looked like. Ellis and Randolph for Brand and Dalembert! I almost wet myself.
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
hey we're getting the omly all star in the trade!
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
This made me want to cry (from a Philly fan)
No…because there’s more to basketball than scoring, and Iguodala does ALL those things better than Ellis, doesn’t get hurt and doesn’t whine like Ellis is doing…he may be the warriors ‘best’ player but he can’t play with curry and he’s about to demand a trade…which diminishes his value greatly (plus the warriors are run by a troika that makes the 3 stooges look like friggin geniuses). I did not included randolph in the deal, I included deven george and joked about randolph since Don Nelson hates him.
When Jrue Holiday comes around – the sixers will have one of the best defensive back courts in the game with Jrue and Iguodala – or they have monta and Jrue and Iguodala at the 2.
The warriors aren’t going anywhere any time soon and they’ll be wasting Monta’s prime years whereas Young fits into the roster of guys with lots of potential (and nothing else) that Nelson is trying to fix. They save money cause Sam expires next year and Monta doesn’t.
It’s like the raiders, the warriors make bad deals for good players cause they want to leave so that decreases their value
Supafishal - November 17, 2009
The 76ers imo are not a viable trading partner. Warriors won’t take Dalembert. 76ers won’t give Iguodala. And they shouldnt’, Iguodala is by far a better all-around player.
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
Are you sure?
he has a bad contract… 5 years/69 mil (counting this year @ 12.2 mil…. it escalated every year!). But he is only 25, soon to be 26. About 1.5 years older than monta.
He is everything Nellie wants in a point forward, and what we all wished Jack would become… The last 3 years he’s averaged 5+ apg with a near 2 to 1 ast:TO ratio. 19ppg at 47% FG%. and a gritty defender.
If we did it it wouldn’t bug me that much…. But i dont see phili going.
Lets just hope the CP3 situation spirals out of control :D
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Only thing Nellie won’t like is that he isn’t a good three point shooter, though he is better than Maggs…
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
we'll compensate with morrow @4 and VladdyRaddy @5
::rolls eyes::
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Iggy
No reason to think Philly would be remotely interested, but just for fun (because indulging in ridiculous fantasies is better than slitting one’s wrists) imagine if Monta and this year’s first rounder were to get it done…
2010/11 rotation
Curry / CJ
Iguodala / Morrow
Maggette / Azubuike
Randolph / Wright
Biedrins / Turiaf
Coach: someone other than Nelson
Sleepy Freud - November 17, 2009
wow
What makes you think this lineup can compete for the playoff, I think we need to get rid of Ellis and Maggette for AK47 and their rookie PG Maynor, he looked decent. At least that way we save up some cap room to sign someone like Bosh next year. I know that might not happen but I would rather have a cap room to sign a good big man instead of spending it on Iguodala who is good but is not a difference maker.
puffylove - November 17, 2009
LOL
AK47 is non expiring champ. No bosh
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Iguodala stats
18.8ppg, 47.3 fg%, 5.3 apg, 2.7apg, 5.7 rpg, 1.8 steals….. and he’d easily be our best defender….
he’s a very good player. In short Jack on 1 of his ‘good nights’
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Yea that is more fun than suicide
Supafishal - November 17, 2009
I'd put buike or morrow over maggette in starting 5
and i like it
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
I know AK47 is not expiring but Ellis plus Maggette is close 20 mil and Ak47 is close to 17 mil if we trade for him we would have at least 3 mill to add it up to Bell, Claxton, George, Moore, Watson and whomever else. We still do need to get some clearance maybe we can do a sign a trade for Bosh.
puffylove - November 17, 2009
just for reference....
if we make ZERO moves, with all our expirings we are still at 53 million under contract not counting a lottery pick. IF we can trade Monta and Maggette for total expirings we’d be at 33 mil which would make us BARELY able to offer 1 max contract.
of course then comes the whole fact they’d have to sign, which they won’t since we’d have little to no talent.
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
I do think Iggy is an ideal second banana
very unselfish (his 5.5 assists to 2.7turnover average last few years speaks to it), quality defender, great in space (when phili runs he looks like all star) and he rebounds well….
In short he is everything the warriors are not. In Curry we think we have a quality PG for future. In Randolph we’re hoping PF of future (I’m not sold), with 1 good draft selection….. this team could easily be a playoff team…. win lottery on john wall, who knows
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
The Kings are looking good this season...
myk - November 17, 2009
Their roster makes little sense despite that record
Look at their starting lineup and substitution pattern. The Kings have won some, but in terms of talent on the roster? You don’t want to watch that team develop over the next three years.
And from the outside, at least, Monta Ellis next to Tyreke makes some sense as a backcourt. That’s one of the few places I can see a natural fit for Monta’s style of play.
You’ve also got Westphal as coach there, and ownership that’s looking to win today.
Seems like a fair bet to me that he could wind up there.
feral - November 18, 2009
Ever wonder why it seems like whenever we trade a player away, he starts to play 10x better? It’s not because they become 10x better on the other team or because they’re not playing hard for us, it’s because of the way this team is run. Even players who don’t speak out about their problems with ownership get better (Pietrus). The way this team is run sucks and until we get Nellie out of here, we will keep trading our stars for beans. Who’s the next player to go?
Throw up the Dub - November 17, 2009
Peitrus is a little unfair
he is a complete role play 7th-8th man on orlando, playing similar system to GSW except he has DWIGHT HOWARD inside, giving him even more open 3s
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Cars passing you on the highway
This is one of those perceptual things, like when cars in the other lane always seem to be moving faster.
feral - November 18, 2009
Follow you're role model, Montay
Jeremy Belvins - November 17, 2009
That could be 90% of the league in that picture, man. If you are so turned off by the “Thug Life,” you are probably watching the wrong sport.
Supafishal - November 17, 2009
I am turned off by it, but not THAT much.
The way I see it, Monta started exuding “Thug Life” in his body language, comments, and general behavior about the time this photo surfaced.
As far as I’m concerned, watching someone drink isn’t exactly thuggish, it’s just funny that his dumb impressionable ass appears to be enthralled by Jax as he pounds vodka. That just tells me he’s more immature than anything.
And, btw, you ought to know most NBA players are NOT thugs. (just the ones popular on this board)
Jeremy Belvins - November 17, 2009
I know for a fact Wade doesn’t even drink alcohol. I’m sure a lot more of the truly good players don’t as well in order to keep themselves in top form.
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
DWade doesnt drink?
Then again, not like he’d need to go out to a club to meet women lol
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
Greg Oden's not a thug does he drink?
steve nash, not a thug…. yao ming-no thug beens not a thug, baron davis, not a thug. even ron artest not a thug.
monta is just an immature guy with no brains, should have went to college, even dumber than andrew bynum. this is sad, the only time to make a guy straight out of high school the franchise was when kobe came out—but even then it took many years for him to grow into that role and he is way waaaayyy more intelligent than dumb knucklehead country boy monta.
this is saddd.
yobo - November 17, 2009
i never said any of them where thugs
tafkasam - November 17, 2009
I know, just responding in general.
yobo - November 17, 2009
Ron Artest might actually be a thug (and a coward)
The man backed down to Ben Wallace, who pushed him in the face, but was more than happy to run into crowd and assault the wimpiest looking guy (who was still holding a drink, so clearly not the culprit).
mmmm, yeah, if he’s not a thug now, he was.
But, I don’t think most athletes at this level are thugs. They’re mostly dedicated professionals. Not that the two are mutually exclusive, but I tend not to think of many players as thugs or somehow thuggish. Kenyan Martin and others are the exception.
Jeremy Belvins - November 17, 2009
ok I'll give you that
Kenyon Martin is a thug. Did he ever “take care” of the situation with Mark Cuban? If not, then he’s a coward too.
yobo - November 17, 2009
….
Sleepy Freud - November 17, 2009
Nash is a pansy
Rocky63215 - November 17, 2009
I've been watchin and...
Feltbot is on Monta’s Ellis’s ass, across every blog in the BayArea, I’m with you on this though, keep going hard on this 4th grade speaking, fake ass Dwayne Wade
Brothaplease09 - November 17, 2009
Of course Atma would leave out the part about Nelson cutting off Monta when we was trying to address the team
Everyone bashes Monta for not being willing to step up into a leadership role and then TK writes about how Nellie told Monta to be quiet when he was trying to address the team after that awful Clipper game. Pretty tough to play the leader when your own coach is undermining you. As always, very objective commentary from Atma.
sjsnider - November 17, 2009
Nelson might have been wrong to cut him off, but not really
Just like you cut off the village idiot, Nelson had no trust in Monta to say anything meaningful.
yobo - November 17, 2009
He was trying to address the team?
Are you referring to the recent anecdote about Monta throwing a hissy fit about always being blamed? He wasn’t delivering a speech, you know. It was a passing remark as he was talking to Jax and I think Maggette.
And, it’s precisely crap like that that ruins a locker room. Nelson’s behavior bugs the crap out of me too, but I am taking his side. I don’t care what anyone says, you try managing these personalities.
I don’t think Nelson’s nearly as bad as he’s made out to be. This team suffered a lot of injuries, consequently we suck. Otherwise we already knew what Nelli ball was about. I’m not going to get into his role in breaking up WE Believe.
Let’s not forget, we hadn’t won ANYTHING until Nellie came back. Before that? Yeah, that was Nellie too.
Jeremy Belvins - November 17, 2009
Oh yeah.
He did make the remark loud enough that it could be heard by the media. But, I wouldn’t consider that addressing the team.
Maybe you’re referring to something else?
Jeremy Belvins - November 17, 2009
Thank you for proving my point
I’m referring to the anecdote from this TK blog post.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/11/17/elliswarriors-situation-set-to-hit-full-boil-at-thursday-meeting-trade-inevitable/
He was trying to address the team in the locker room, which is how it is supposed to be done, and Nellie cut him off.
sjsnider - November 17, 2009
You're right, that is different
So, was he yelling at his teammates or twas he “loudly addressing” them? Either way, the locker room must have been pretty charged up after that loss. Nelson would have been wise to give his guys some space, but he’s stressed out too.
Jeremy Belvins - November 17, 2009
SELL HIGH
we can all see montavious’s liabilities…. he is a man-child
still hes also a high light real waiting 2 happen
the warriors were lucky to get wut they did 4 jax (ie doing better then they did 4 spreewell when he wuz malcontent of the yr)
but we can get a a lot more return 4 montavious…. he should go 2 memphis
ANY QUESTIONS????
KennySeagle - November 17, 2009
Lots of people are going to mention Memphis as a destination...
But I just don’t see it. They just signed Tinsley, and forced AI out because they wanted to keep Conley and Mayo as their starters….
samuraaaaiiiiiii - November 17, 2009
Monta is turning out to be a backwoods country
idiot. Just trade for more trash like we got with radmonovic.
yobo - November 17, 2009
wow
my vote made it exactly 50-50 at 286 a piece right now
Dr. Orpheus - November 17, 2009
How's about we...
Put them both, Nelson and Ellis, in a the THUNDER DOME!
2 Men enter…..you know the rest.
But in all honesty at this point, I DO NOT CARE ANYMORE! Until Cohan sells this team. The FO will find ways to poop on everything that is good in Golden State. Even when Nellie wasn’t here.
I am so fed up with WAITING for a competitive team that shows promise of going places not just a quick flash of talent. I’ve really just had enough of this whole drama. Everyone has had a part to play in this. It’s NO ONES fault, everyone has had a hand in dragging down this team to the pits that we emerged from in the “We Believe” era.
THEY ALL NEED TO GO!
esco41510 - November 17, 2009
+1
Jeremy Belvins - November 17, 2009
it was 299-299 before I voted
Now it’s 300 for no and it should stay that way.
Am22mO - November 17, 2009
Trade Ellis
At best, we get a players like Iguodala, Ak47, TMac, Boozer, Ginobili or someone of that calibar.
At worst, we get Blount and Session plus their first rounder next year for Ellis.
Whatever we do, we can always use the players we get to package for a superstar player someone like Bosh if Toronto keeps losing or Stoudemire if Suns age starts catching up with them.
Who knows, if we get a good player and we start wining, Oakland might be hot spot for players to be in next year.
puffylove - November 17, 2009
Boozer would be pretty nice.
Oakland is NOT going to be a hot spot for players next year. Why would it? What does Oakland have to offer a player? We aren’t going to be under the cap enough to sign a star player until the 2011 season, unless we get rid of more players and get expiring contracts.
I think, at best, we trade some of our expiring contracts for Bosh. He’ll never re-sign with us, so you take that as a wash and try to get far enough under the cap to where you can sign one of those players that is willing to come here… but there’s not that many. Stoudemire doesn’t want to play here. He’ll get traded here and fake an injury to his back, then sign some place else.
GOD, why do I feel this team is doomed?
aBulldog - November 17, 2009
Not true
If we trade Ellis and Maggette for an expiring contract like for TMac or any other, we would have close to $30 mil in cap space next year, plus who knows if TMac is motivated and plays hard since he wants to earn one more big pay check, we might be able to win more games instead of having Ellis play for us and only in 20 games. If we sign a big name player like Boozer, Stoudamire, Bosh, we can get maybe Ginobili or Redd or Jefferson to sign Mid level exception similar to Artest. Not many teams have the cap space for 2010. I think we have a young good role players and with some veterans, this unit can compete. This is basketball, you need to two superstar players, good role players and a good bench to compete. If we get rid of Ellis and Maggette, we have the money and you know what they say money talks.
puffylove - November 17, 2009
I don’t know.
All this is happening so fast. Monta seems to care about himself, than anything…. but that sounds like it’s in part because of Nelson. When you fall out of love for your team, you’re not going to think about anyone but yourself. It’s like having a relationship with a girl; if you don’t love her anymore, you’re not going to continue to treat her well. You’ll slack off on the relationship and look for someone else.
I don’t think it’s best for us to have a player that isn’t going to give it 100%… so you really have to think about this trade. Sure Monta is worth more than what we can get for him…. but you have to think about if a Monta Ellis that is slacking off is better than a couple mediocre players who are going to want to play here and give 100% to the team?
aBulldog - November 17, 2009
A message to all who bother caring about Warriors...
Me as a Biedrins fan, not a Warrior fan, for quite obvious reasons, cannot stop admiring those who still believe and will believe no matter what. ..Oh, my God!! How long are you going to take this stuff, huh? All the good players who have played for the Warriors recent years have already abandoned sinking ship with no direct course or reason for existence, and now “The Good Bad Guy” has left too, for a team which as we all know is very, very far away from getting even near to compete for the Championship. Ellis wants out…I personally don’t blame him, he has the guts to say that this organization really sucks…Oh, and right Raja opts for surgery…Man that must feel like a dagger in your hearts Warrior fans, doesn’t it? Nobody wants to play for Warriors, everybody who are still here either have no place else to go or they are just cowards, completely satisfied with their paychecks, like my man Biedrins here, he doesn’t give a damn about the drama around the Warriors as long as he gets his weekly salary and free time to spend with his buddies at the bar, trust me, he is a Latvian – greedy, lazy sons of bitches, I know a couple of them, hey! As the matter of fact I am one!
I mean why bother feeling for an organization which does not give a horse shit about the greatest fans in the league. OK, you did experience a miracle which obviously occurs once in 20 years (talking about the greatest upset in the NBA Playoff history)…Are you going to wait another 20 years to realize that maybe that 2007 miracle was just a lucky coincidence carried out by a few good men and supported by 20,000 committed fans at the Oracle and many times more sitting by the Television sets all around the world.
I know that this is hopeless but shouldn’t you consider stop wasting your time waiting for the great times that will never come?….OK, I`ve said my point, peace to everyone and a lot of respect to those who are together with the Warriors till the end of the world, I don’t know where you get the patience to do this, I cant even stand waiting for eggs to boil in the morning. Anyway sorry about my English, not a native speaker, but hopefully you get my point…
confused_stare - November 17, 2009
we're going back to the real dark ages now
last season was nothing. we’re going back to the era when jamison and vonteego cummings were our “hopes” for the future, when erek dampier was our main building block, when marc jackson was unbelievable.
when you keep building for the future while sacrificing the present you end up with garbage no matter what the walk of life.
dso - November 17, 2009
Anybody know who the warriors might get for monta???
GSWfan4lyf - November 17, 2009
"when you keep building for the future while sacrificing the present you end up with garbage"
It sure seems like they’ve been building for the future for about 20 years now, hasn’t it? I’m pretty tired of it, and I have been unable to sit down and watch a full game this entire season.
aBulldog - November 17, 2009
Trade with the Kings
Lets trade Monta Ellis for Kevin Martin and Sergio Rodriguez. K-Mart is a prolific scorer and Sergio is still young enough to become a solid back if Curry plays point.
Potential starters:
Curry
Martin
Biedriens
Maggette
Randolph
Young and gunnin baby!
Hankzilla - November 17, 2009
Monta is WAY better than Martin. I’d rather play Morrow than Martin.
aBulldog - November 17, 2009
No to KMart
Look at how the team plays without him. He’s one dimensional, and his shooting stroke is like a retarded version of Tim Hardaway’s.
FiveAlarmFreddy - November 17, 2009
I must say
The pretty much dead even split on the poll votes is absolutely fascinating.
Atma Brother ONE - November 17, 2009
I wish I could have voted for both.
I don’t like routing for people who don’t want to be here, but he’s a good player. I also think that if they can get a decent big man, that can play Defense first and maybe some kind of post game, then it would be worth trading Monta. I think it’s easier to find a decent #2 guard that can score, than it is finding a big man. They may not be as efficient and quick as Monta, but I’m not sure being a good scorer has anything to do with winning anymore… I’m just confused and torn on the whole subject on trading Ellis.
aBulldog - November 17, 2009
Crazy...
If you think about it, the last 3 years of Warriors basketball has been the most dramatic in YEARS.
Amazing, simply amazing. Not surprised… but believe it or not, a lot of hardcore fans like me are still hurting even though we know these terrible things are coming.
RayAlmeda - November 17, 2009
Here we go again
Seeing all the “trade proposals” to unload Monta and it’s apparent to me that the W’s will not get much value for him.
All the proposals are ludacris and beg one question: what NEED would Monta fill for the other team?
Nobody is going to trade for Monta to be their PG because he isn’t one. And very few people have a big PG in order to bring Monta in as a SG. So——6th man?!!?
This means, we need a sucker to Monta and his contract. Maybe THAT’s going to be the deal for Wally Szcerbiak, Delonte West and Ilgauskas. Only kidding…i think…
joegiant - November 17, 2009
Dump Nellie
Seriously. Nellie is the problem. There are other head coaches out there we can bring in.
He holds grudges. Destroys players. the NBA allows 12 players for a reason. But no lets run 6 guys 40+ minutes.
Jackson bitched about limited minutes one game. he gets 47 minutes of action the next game. While Jackson brought some of it himself its just an example of Nellie’s problem of my way or the highway. If somehow we get Lebron would not be surprised if Nellie turned him into a horrible player.
ufwa - November 17, 2009
The reason they wont dump Nellie
Nellie has been coaching 30+ years… To get rid of the man who helped this franchise in the past and is one of the most winninest coaches of all time would be very cruel. Management does not want to look like no-class scumbags. They want good coaches in the future and if other coaches see a legend like him getting fired, do you think that they will want to coach here? Although I too disagree with Nellie’s decision making, he will not get fired because that would be harsh and cruel.
GSWfan4lyf - November 17, 2009
I still can't believe so many have turned on Monta like this
He beefs with the front office and the coach that just about everyone wants gone and he’s totally in the wrong apparently. Unbelievable.
sjsnider - November 17, 2009
+10000000000000000000000000000
For all the people on this website that ate our FO, as soon as a player does as well we all start thibnking he is un loyal or is the problem….. Some people are so bi polar it makes me sick. Remeber last year when we were so happy to get him back?
dubzfan - November 17, 2009
thinking*
dubzfan - November 17, 2009
I was willing to give him a fresh start after the moped incident,
but he came back with such a funky little attitude. His comments, coinciding with Jax’, about playing alongside Curry helped sour the season before it got started. I can live with ALL THAT, but now his agent is asking for permission to speak with other teams.
So, he’s a disaster.
And, yes, my loyalties tend to be with Don Nelson. I’ve been Warrior fan since the Run TMC days, and Monta hasn’t been that good.
I’ve about had it with Nelson, and the FO has been inept, but Monta’s no prince.
Jeremy Belvins - November 17, 2009
Locker room chant
Ellis: Wuuza heeza hiz cus i’da mada hee. fi fi fo.
Nelson: Monta, we don’t need that right now.
Ellis (frowns): Hooza wiza hah. Me mo. fi fi fo.
And somehow Nellie is the bad guy.
Warriors U - November 17, 2009
Say what?
Nellie is the bad guy for more than just this you know…
dubzfan - November 17, 2009
Shows what you know
Nellie is one of the only coaches in the league who tell players the truth.
He benched Monta in the playoffs because he wouldn’t go left. He told him he keeps getting his shot blocked because he would never go left. Next year, Monta went left and became relevant — and played more.
He told Monta he needed to become a point guard to become a superstar. He was willing to let Monta learn on the job. Monta has refused to do this, so Nellie is less interested in him.
He told Randolph to rebound and play defense first to get into the flow of the game before taking shots or taking the ball up the court. He told Randolph if he did those things, he’d play more. Randolph isn’t listening and so isn’t playing. Nellie has told Randolph that he is at the crossroads of being as good as anyone in the league (best) or being as good as anyone in the league (journeyman). Nellie is right.
He told Jackson “I love you.” Nobody had ever said that to Jackson in his life. Against LA in preseason, Jackson got 5 fouls in 5 minutes guarding Kobe. He starting going thug, like he did in the playoffs against Utah. Nelson was scared and embarrassed. He sent Jackson to the showers. Jackson turned his ghetto thug anger toward Nelson. Nelson still tried to turn him with declarations of love — yes, a father figure telling his delinquent kid he still loved him. But Jackson has an illness where the love makes him angrier still.
Nellie is the right coach for these three in particular if they are ever to live up to — and in Jackson’s case perform better for a few years — than their potential.
Warriors U - November 17, 2009
Interesting post...
Curious about your sources. Obviously these incidents have been reported, but you either have more knowledge of the emotional subtleties of the situations or are just projecting those nuances onto Nelson and the players whether they are really there or not.
It’s definitely an interesting take, I’m just curious if it’s based wholly in reality or if it is just your take from afar.
olympicmike - November 18, 2009
Source is Don Nelson on KNBR
Nelson’s weekly radio show with Tom Tolbert and Ralph Barbieri. He’s old enough to speak the truth instead of speaking in a bunch of neutral beige brown gray rohr shots like almost every other coach in the league or in sports at all.
Warriors U - November 18, 2009
How do we trade Kawakami?
That guy is like a literate Damon Bruce.
Warriors U - November 17, 2009
trading monta would be stupid
he’s having his best all around year thus far imo. the scoring has been there, but his passing and defense are much improved from previous years
AJC3317 - November 17, 2009
ok...
Does anybody know what teams are interested in Monta and who they are willing to give up to obtain them???
GSWfan4lyf - November 17, 2009
Monta Ellis
Monta Ellis is a great player. The problem with him is, he has a big mouth. If he has problems, he should tell them to a counselor or keep them to himself, not tell them to the public. No one wants to hear him bitch about how he feels. He was given millions of dollars to play basketball and not complain. He should be grateful to his success in basketball and go out and play hard without complaining. Also, do you think other teams want him after they hear that he throws teammates under the bus? Heck no! It is just like Allen Iverson. Why do you think no body wanted him??? Because of his big mouth and ego. No one wants a downer and a complaining loser on their team. This is exactly why I am willing to dump Monta Ellis on another roster. Part of being a good person and basketball player is being positive, mentally sound and doing your job. Frankly, Monta Ellis is the type of player that corrupts a team and prevents them from flourishing. If management is willing to trade him…. then I am down…
GSWfan4lyf - November 17, 2009
Because he’s 34.
As far as Ellis, yeah he has a big ego but so does about 95% of everyone in the league. Monta is just too immature to keep his mouth shut. SJax is proof that a big mouth, with an oversized contract, past-his-prime skills and an ego the size of Texas can find a home.
FiveAlarmFreddy - November 17, 2009
Trade Offer from a Pistons Fan...
First of all, awesome site. Seriously.
Okay, since Monta seemingly wants out, here’s an offer for you…
Tayshaun Prince ($10.32 mil./2 yrs. remaining, 15.1 PER.) and Rodney Stuckey ($1.81 mil./2 yrs., 14.8 PER)
for…
Monta Ellis ($11 mil./5 yrs., 14.8 PER) and Anthony Randolph ($1.87 mil./2 yrs., 16.9 PER)
Thoughts?
walking_is_still_honest - November 18, 2009
lol
of course not my dear… AR won’t get traded nowhere soon
Gaucho! - November 18, 2009
No Randolph
How about TP and Maxiell for Ellis, Brandon Wright and Devan George?
puffylove - November 18, 2009
Sweet²
Undersized, doesn’t play defense, can’t decide if he’s a 1 or 2, is a cancer, is not 100% of what he was before, and flattens our huge guard pool²
But he’s quite a good trade value, so we can get a good, athletic big man in return.
- Chris Bosh? (throw in S. Claxton or D. George on the trade proposal, of course)
- Carlos Boozer? (throw in S. Claxton or D. George on the trade proposal, of course)
- Brooke Lopez?
- Lamar Odom?
- Kwame Brown?
- M. Olowokandi?
- K. Duckworth?
- Spencer Haywood?
Gaucho! - November 18, 2009
PRIMMA DONNAS EVERYWHERE
Blow this brain dead crap hole team up
Trade monta for expiring money
Get Jeff Van Gundy to coach.
THWater - November 18, 2009
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